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The Gift of Forgiveness
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I think because of AcientGlory some of our elakirian may got confused with the concept of Christian Forgiveness
Here is a good Parable of Jesus explaining what he expect from us this parable called "Parable of the unforgiving servant"
The Parable of the Unmerciful Servant
21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that all he had be sold to repay the debt.
26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.
29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’
30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.
32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”
Interpretation
This parable makes a number of points:
1. God's forgiveness of sin is of enormous magnitude, like the 10,000 talents.
2. This enormous degree of forgiveness should be the model for the way that Christians forgive others.
3. An unforgiving nature is offensive to God.
4. Forgiveness must be genuine.
5. It is like the C.S. Lewis quote, "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you." ― C.S. Lewis
lets learn to forgive Mr.AcientGlory
Here is a good Parable of Jesus explaining what he expect from us this parable called "Parable of the unforgiving servant"
The Parable of the Unmerciful Servant
21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that all he had be sold to repay the debt.
26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.
29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’
30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.
32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”
Interpretation
This parable makes a number of points:
1. God's forgiveness of sin is of enormous magnitude, like the 10,000 talents.
2. This enormous degree of forgiveness should be the model for the way that Christians forgive others.
3. An unforgiving nature is offensive to God.
4. Forgiveness must be genuine.
5. It is like the C.S. Lewis quote, "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you." ― C.S. Lewis
lets learn to forgive Mr.AcientGlory
Essay on Forgiveness
by C.S. Lewis
Macmillian Publishing Company, Inc., N.Y, 1960
by C.S. Lewis
Macmillian Publishing Company, Inc., N.Y, 1960
We say a great many things in church (and out of church too) without thinking of what we are saying. For instance, we say in the Creed " I believe in the forgiveness of sins." I had been saying it for several years before I asked myself why it was in the Creed. At first sight it seems hardly worth putting in. "If one is a Christian," I thought " of course one believes in the forgiveness of sins. It goes without saying." But the people who compiled the Creed apparently thought that this was a part of our belief which we needed to be reminded of every time we went to church. And I have begun to see that, as far as I am concerned, they were right. To believe in the forgiveness of sins is not so easy as I thought. Real belief in it is the sort of thing that easily slips away if we don't keep on polishing it up.
We believe that God forgives us our sins; but also that He will not do so unless we forgive other people their sins against us. There is no doubt about the second part of this statement. It is in the Lord's Prayer, it was emphatically stated by our Lord. If you don't forgive you will not be forgiven. No exceptions to it. He doesn't say that we are to forgive other people's sins, provided they are not too frightful, or provided there are extenuating circumstances, or anything of that sort. We are to forgive them all, however spiteful, however mean, however often they are repeated. If we don't we shall be forgiven none of our own.
Now it seems to me that we often make a mistake both about God's forgiveness of our sins and about the forgiveness we are told to offer to other people's sins. Take it first about God's forgiveness, I find that when I think I am asking God to forgive me I am often in reality (unless I watch myself very carefully) asking Him to do something quite different. I am asking him not to forgive me but to excuse me. But there is all the difference in the world between forgiving and excusing. Forgiveness says, "Yes, you have done this thing, but I accept your apology; I will never hold it against you and everything between us two will be exactly as it was before." If one was not really to blame then there is nothing to forgive. In that sense forgiveness and excusing are almost opposites. Of course, in dozens of cases, either between God and man, or between one man and another, there may be a mixture of the two. Part of what at first seemed to be the sins turns out to be really nobody's fault and is excused; the bit that is left over is forgiven. If you had a perfect excuse, you would not need forgiveness; if the whole of your actions needs forgiveness, then there was no excuse for it. But the trouble is that what we call "asking God's forgiveness" very often really consists in asking God to accept our excuses. What leads us into this mistake is the fact that there usually is some amount of excuse, some "extenuating circumstances." We are so very anxious to point these things out to God (and to ourselves) that we are apt to forget the very important thing; that is, the bit left over, the bit which excuses don't cover, the bit which is inexcusable but not, thank God, unforgivable. And if we forget this, we shall go away imagining that we have repented and been forgiven when all that has really happened is that we have satisfied ourselves without own excuses. They may be very bad excuses; we are all too easily satisfied about ourselves.
There are two remedies for this danger. One is to remember that God knows all the real excuses very much better than we do. If there are real "extenuating circumstances" there is no fear that He will overlook them. Often He must know many excuses that we have never even thought of, and therefore humble souls will, after death, have the delightful surprise of discovering that on certain occasions they sinned much less than they thought. All the real excusing He will do. What we have got to take to Him is the inexcusable bit, the sin. We are only wasting our time talking about all the parts which can (we think) be excused. When you go to a Dr. you show him the bit of you that is wrong - say, a broken arm. It would be a mere waste of time to keep on explaining that your legs and throat and eyes are all right. You may be mistaken in thinking so, and anyway, if they are really right, the doctor will know that.
The second remedy is really and truly to believe in the forgiveness of sins. A great deal of our anxiety to make excuses comes from not really believing in it, from thinking that God will not take us to Himself again unless He is satisfied that some sort of case can be made out in our favor. But that is not forgiveness at all. Real forgiveness means looking steadily at the sin, the sin that is left over without any excuse, after all allowances have been made, and seeing it in all its horror, dirt, meanness, and malice, and nevertheless being wholly reconciled to the man who has done it.
When it comes to a question of our forgiving other people, it is partly the same and partly different. It is the same because, here also forgiving does not mean excusing. Many people seem to think it does. They think that if you ask them to forgive someone who has cheated or bullied them you are trying to make out that there was really no cheating or bullying. But if that were so, there would be nothing to forgive. (This doesn't mean that you must necessarily believe his next promise. It does mean that you must make every effort to kill every taste of resentment in your own heart - every wish to humiliate or hurt him or to pay him out.) The difference between this situation and the one in which you are asking God's forgiveness is this. In our own case we accept excuses too easily, in other people's we do not accept them easily enough. As regards my own sins it is a safe bet (though not a certainty) that the excuses are not really so good as I think; as regards other men's sins against me it is a safe bet (though not a certainty) that the excuses are better than I think. One must therefore begin by attending to everything which may show that the other man was not so much to blame as we thought. But even if he is absolutely fully to blame we still have to forgive him; and even if ninety-nine per cent of his apparent guilt can be explained away by really good excuses, the problem of forgiveness begins with the one per cent of guilt that is left over. To excuse, what can really produce good excuses is not Christian charity; it is only fairness. To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable, because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you.
This is hard. It is perhaps not so hard to forgive a single great injury. But to forgive the incessant provocations of daily life - to keep on forgiving the bossy mother-in-law, the bullying husband, the nagging wife, the selfish daughter, the deceitful son - How can we do it? Only, I think, by remembering where we stand, by meaning our words when we say in our prayers each night "Forgive our trespasses* as we forgive those that trespass against us." We are offered forgiveness on no other terms. To refuse it is to refuse God's mercy for ourselves. There is no hint of exceptions and God means what He says.
why didn't god create the man as a person who can only do good things.....
Until you understand the "free-will" concept in Christian theology you will never find an answer to this question: yes:
God never create robots hope you will understand it later in your life once you become more matured
Remember Love cannot be forced
You need to have the ability to distinguish what is good and what is evil, if you lacking good then only it gave birth to evil. Other thing you should know evil is not a created thing evil is a product of your selfishness desire or your choice
Simple thing we all know what is good what will be the result of doing bad real question is then why the hell is you are not doing Good things?
God does not want your love without your free-will, Bible says “you can do everything but everything is not good”
If you think deeply you might say democracy is good but only till we use it properly otherwise it will be a disaster
I hope this will help you to get an idea
so what about other living beings like hare . lion , deer..
do they have "free will"..?
Animals does not have so called "Free-will" and I think human never be able to make robots with a free-will
Sister I am still trying to be perfect
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. - Matthew 5:48
If you find anything good in me that is all because of Jesus Christ without him I am nothing
"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing." John 15:5
If I ever got some spiritual wisdom that is becuase of the Holy Spirit without the helper no one can have that kind of Spiritual Wisdom
Simple Jesus is the Secret
YES Bible says
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 1 John 4:8
May God bless you child
So you b'live that Mohomed killed as a method of self-defense ..... there you go brother I told you ne he is a worrior he killed many people Jesus never approved killings even as a self-defending method
lets see what jesus said after thomas took a sword:
47 While he was still speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, arrived. With him was a large crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and the elders of the people. 48 Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them: “The one I kiss is the man; arrest him.” 49 Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, “Greetings, Rabbi!” and kissed him.
50 Jesus replied, “Friend, do what you came for.”
Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him. 51 With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear.
52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
Once can say Jesus should have allow this act of violace as a self-defense like Muslims says but Jesus refuse it therefore our God is not your God, Our Jesus is not your Muslim Jesus you video will prove it as well
Jesus approved only non-violance
An Eye for an Eye
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ (this is what Muslims doing "Eye for eye " If you kill my brother I will kill yours too")
39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41 If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Jesus clearly said
We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’e? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. 38 But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.
Regarding the Holy Spirit you are wrong again Jesus is not talking about any other prophet (because Jesus , the son is the last prophet)
Jesus said unless he go away, the Counselor won't come
But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8When he comes, he will convict the world of guilta in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment:
Futher he said he will bring glory to me (Jesus)
12 “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. (I don't think allah will like this verse Jesus said all that belongs to the father is mine) That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you. (I think Jesus here talks about his true Divinity)
Muslims only pick and choose what is favourable to them only but we can see in John 14:26 Jesus talks about the same holy Spirit lets say what did he say about the work of the spirit
John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
Father will send in my name - He comes in Jesus name only not his own name so we can be sure Mohomed is not this holy spirit what Jesus is talking abt
"will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you"
We all know he never remind about what Jesus said rather Quran took away his true indentity in other words they kill our true Jesus therefore we are so clear that Mohomed is not from our true God
Last but not the least
as Jesus explained after he went to the father this so called holyspirit came to all the disiples so no we know who are the real liers "Who are the real children of "Father of all lies"
"All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them." - Acts 2:4
May God Bless You !
Regarding your dead sea crols I have many explanation so I will post it separately and I will prove that it prove otherwise
1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
Few people know that Muhammad says in the Quran that he takes refuge in Allah from evil witches who may cast spells on him (Sura 113:4)
Few people know that early reliable Islamic sources reveal that before Muhammad’s ministry went public in Mecca, he nearly committed suicide multiple times.
Few people know that early reliable Islamic sources say that he was bewitched by a Jewish magician for "a long period" in Medina.
Few people know that the Quran itself reports that jinn (genii) secretly and invisibly listened to the Quran and became Muslims, while others refused.
But maybe more people know that early reliable Islamic sources say that Muhammad believed Satan inspired him, out of his despair, to recite some verses that made it into the Quran—the so-called Satanic verses.
To repeat, these facts come from early reliable Islamic sources, not from the imagination of non-Muslims. This cannot be overemphasized. Early Muslim scholars themselves report these events and beliefs held by their prophet.
Finally, in the interest of Comparative Religions, we will study how Jesus dealt with the kingdom of darkness. Suffice it to say here that he never once was fearful of it. In fact, the New Testament says he terrified demons, casting them out of harassed and oppressed people.
Brother if my word of truth hate you I am sorry our God can protect his one and only revelation he needs no revision or second revelation
Therefore do not steal the holy word of God to promote lies
May God bless you and give you true wisdom to understand the eternal truth
Few people know that Muhammad says in the Quran that he takes refuge in Allah from evil witches who may cast spells on him (Sura 113:4)
Few people know that early reliable Islamic sources reveal that before Muhammad’s ministry went public in Mecca, he nearly committed suicide multiple times.
Few people know that early reliable Islamic sources say that he was bewitched by a Jewish magician for "a long period" in Medina.
Few people know that the Quran itself reports that jinn (genii) secretly and invisibly listened to the Quran and became Muslims, while others refused.
But maybe more people know that early reliable Islamic sources say that Muhammad believed Satan inspired him, out of his despair, to recite some verses that made it into the Quran—the so-called Satanic verses.
To repeat, these facts come from early reliable Islamic sources, not from the imagination of non-Muslims. This cannot be overemphasized. Early Muslim scholars themselves report these events and beliefs held by their prophet.
Finally, in the interest of Comparative Religions, we will study how Jesus dealt with the kingdom of darkness. Suffice it to say here that he never once was fearful of it. In fact, the New Testament says he terrified demons, casting them out of harassed and oppressed people.
Brother if my word of truth hate you I am sorry our God can protect his one and only revelation he needs no revision or second revelation
Therefore do not steal the holy word of God to promote lies
May God bless you and give you true wisdom to understand the eternal truth
For me everything else depends on my life. Which makes my life ultimate.
Also how come a thing upon everything else depends is inexplicable?
inexplicable is also a relative word. What is inexplicable for you is not for me. What is inexplicable now will not be in 100 years.
So I'm missing your point here.
I will prove it otherwise OK so prepare for it , truely I say , not all things depends on you
no matterial things can make you Ultimate
Inexplicable ? if you think carefully you are the one who inexplicable
Well you might be right up to a certain extent
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As always
I am just kidding you brotherWhy kill in the name of Jesus. Tripura, LTTE, Hitler, Andrew Bervick of Norway, Timothy Mcvey (Oklahoma bombing of federal Building), SPLA (SUDAN).US, BRITISH, CRUSADERS, ETC. WHY YOU LIE SO MUCH.
This what Jesus said.
Matt. 10:5 "Go not into the way of the Gentiles"
Matt. 15:24 "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"
Why preach in the land of Gentiles. You do not follow your own Religion.
This what Jesus said.
Matt. 10:5 "Go not into the way of the Gentiles"
Matt. 15:24 "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"
Why preach in the land of Gentiles. You do not follow your own Religion.
I understand what you mean. But I am not using the term "ultimate" in a value-based sense. I was talking about existance in its metaphysical sense.
Technically, when we "explain" something, we are telling why it is there at all. Technically, explanations answer 'why questions'. So, an explanation to the blueness of the sky is identical to the answer for the question: "why sky is blue". Similarly, explanation for icebergs demands an annswer for the question: "why are there icebergs (in such and such places)?"
I agree that the words like "explain", "explanation" are used in somewhat different meanings too. But, here I stick to the technical terminology.
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