New Oral drug for Type 2 Diabetes and obesity without side effects.

[Stimulus mind]

TFS, brother.

 

[-333-]

TFS

 

[raman2]

The life expectancy of ancestral humans is commonly stated to be very low, around 20–35 years, but this number is misleading because it is heavily skewed by high rates of infant and child mortality.

Key Points:

Life Expectancy at Birth:

For most prehistoric hunter-gatherer societies, the average was 20–35 years due to many children dying young.

If a person survived childhood:

Those who lived past age 15–20 often lived into their 50s or even 60s. Some even older, though few reached extreme old age.

Main Causes of Early Death:

Infant mortality, infectious disease, accidents, injuries, and predation.

Examples from Modern Hunter-Gatherers:

The Hadza, Kung San, and other studied groups show similar patterns: high childhood death, but adults oftentimes live long lives.

Okay let's say 50s, still they will be enjoying less quality of life than a modern day average 50 year old.

Most importantly, our ancestors low carb high fiber diet and exercise may be less likely to give them gastritis..
As I said before fasting may not cause gastritis, but once you have gastritis, it's hard to fast.

 

[Hyaenidae]

Okay let's say 50s, still they will be enjoying less quality of life than a modern day average 50 year old.

The point I'm trying to make is our bodies are designed to store calories to be able to survive periods of scarcity - in other words, going without food

= F A S T I N G

Ergo, our bodies are designed to fast.

Most importantly, our ancestors low carb high fiber diet and exercise may be less likely to give them gastritis..
As I said before fasting may not cause gastritis, but once you have gastritis, it's hard to fast.

Yeah yeah. But since fasting doesn't cause "gastritis" and our bodies are designed to fast your point is moot. Humans just don't lose their ability to fast because we've discovered that "fasting may exacerbate" gastritis symptoms. Take some antacid and continue fasting. They even make calorie free antacids these days.

 

[madboyxxx]

bullshit myth. fasting doesn't increase gastritis. eating complex and junk foods is

true

 

[හෙනයා]

That's because you're used to stuffing yourself, you won't feel a difference between eating three meals or just one when you get used to it

No, a life in which aging leads to an inability to do the basic activities such as standing, walking, jumping, running independently due to a lack of lean muscle can be called as a miserable life.

 

[Hyaenidae]

No, a life in which aging leads to an inability to do the basic activities such as standing, walking, jumping, running independently due to a lack of lean muscle can be called as a miserable life.

Your body will burn fat for energy before using lean muscle, as long as fat is available.

"Everybody worries about all kinds of things like, "Oh, you're going to eat your muscle. You're going to burn your muscles." It's like, right. So the body stores fat as energy and as soon as you need it you start burning muscle and you need your fat there. Well, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Why would we do that? Lions, for instance, might eat once a week. You think they're burning their muscle as soon as they stop eating? I doubt it. I suspect that people burn fat because that's the way it was designed.

It's like storing firewood. So you spend all winter storing firewood but as soon as the temperate goes down you chop off your sofa and throw it into the wood burning oven. Isn't that insane? That's the same thing. So we store energy as fat but then when it comes down to crunch time we burn our muscles? I don't think so. What you do is you burn sugar and you burn fat. That's the way it's stored and that's the way it goes."

-Dr. Jason Fung

 

[හෙනයා]

Your body will burn fat for energy before using lean muscle, as long as fat is available.

so the body fat will have to be 0 before tapping to the lean muscle? how the fuck can you survive with 0% body fat

carry on with your bullshit theories

 

[raman2]

The point I'm trying to make is our bodies are designed to store calories to be able to survive periods of scarcity - in other words, going without food

= F A S T I N G

Ergo, our bodies are designed to fast.



Yeah yeah. But since fasting doesn't cause "gastritis" and our bodies are designed to fast your point is moot. Humans just don't lose their ability to fast because we've discovered that "fasting may exacerbate" gastritis symptoms. Take some antacid and continue fasting. They even make calorie free antacids these days.

Already more than half of the world population has chronic gastritis, and we are talking about how fasting can worsen the effects of gastritis..
Not about if fasting causes gastritis or our bodies are designed to store calories blah blah or any of those unrelated things. Get your points correct.

Big NO! Taking antacid to minimize side effects of fasting when you have chronic gastritis is very bad advice.

Continued use of antacids causes Dementia, Kidney problems, Electrolyte imbalances, Increased fracture risk, Heart rhythm problems and the list goes on...

 

[හෙනයා]

Already more than half of the world population has chronic gastritis, and we are talking about how fasting can worsen the effects of gastritis..
Not about if fasting causes gastritis or our bodies are designed to store calories blah blah or any of those unrelated things. Get your points correct.

Big NO! Taking antacid to minimize side effects of fasting when you have chronic gastritis is very bad advice.

Continued use of antacids causes Dementia, Kidney problems, Electrolyte imbalances, Increased fracture risk, Heart rhythm problems and the list goes on...

in order to cure gastritis we need to recover and heal our gut slowly and it involes healthy diet, more fiber, timely eating and very little of fasting(not the shits like 12/8 and OMAD)

 

[Hyaenidae]

so the body fat will have to be 0 before tapping to the lean muscle? how the fuck can you survive with 0% body fat

Nope we're talking about how fasting is an effective treatment for obesity, you don't call a man with 0% body fat "obese".

Plus there's been extensive research on the subject

https://www.dietdoctor.com/does-fasting-burn-muscle

 

[raman2]

in order to cure gastritis we need to recover and heal our gut slowly and it involes healthy diet, more fiber, timely eating and very little of fasting(not the shits like 12/8 and OMAD)

Very true. And check for H. pylori bacteria and take medication before it gets worse..

 

[Hyaenidae]

Already more than half of the world population has chronic gastritis,

So I've been looking for the source of this claim and the actual claim is "Helicobacter pylori infection, a common cause of chronic gastritis, is present in about 50% of the world's population" - not 50% of the population has developed chronic gastritis. The highest estimate I could find is 25%.

and we are talking about how fasting can worsen the effects of gastritis..
Not about if fasting causes gastritis or our bodies are designed to store calories blah blah or any of those unrelated things. Get your points correct.

No, we're talking how fasting is a safe and effective obesity treatment unlike some new drug with unpredictable side effects.

Big NO! Taking antacid to minimize side effects of fasting when you have chronic gastritis is very bad advice.

Continued use of antacids causes Dementia, Kidney problems, Electrolyte imbalances, Increased fracture risk, Heart rhythm problems and the list goes on...

"Side effects of gastritis", not "fasting".

Besides, you're talking about PPI antacids. I'm talking about OTC medication that neutralizes stomach acid.

 

[S Fetus AKA Pseudo Khan]

Meka lankawe thiyanawada?

ඉන්දියාවේ තියනවා

 

[SIC]

මේ අයිතමත් ලඟදි ආවේ

Meka mkkda mcn

 

[S Fetus AKA Pseudo Khan]

Please post a photo of the other side of this box .... ( country of origin and other details)

50rs per tablet. Manufactured by Servier India Ltd.
https://m.netmeds.com/prescriptions...tolAOxDwcWRHurAZSWZsbLPXA7Slwfp7s-tJMyTfFb7oz

 

[raman2]

No, we're talking how fasting is a safe and effective obesity treatment unlike some new drug with unpredictable side effects.

Don't change topics just to drag the argument and waste our time.

"Side effects of gastritis", not "fasting".

Besides, you're talking about PPI antacids. I'm talking about OTC medication that neutralizes stomach acid.

It's a fact that fasting worsens gastritis, so no need for word games..
most OTC medication long term has side effects, and some contain aluminium, that's why they recommend prescription medication if its long term...

 

[olu bakka]

Ppl with gastritis can't fast..
And gastritis is very common..

Guts UK says more than half the world's population may have chronic gastritis, especially in developing countries.

Fasting is actually a cure for gastritis. But fasting does not guarantee weight loss. It's still calorie intake.

 

[Hyaenidae]

Don't change topics just to drag the argument and waste our time.

The thread is literally about a drug meant to treat obesity and diabetes If anything you are the one who introduced a false claim that 50% of the world's population has chronic gastritis and wasted everyone's time

It's a fact that fasting worsens gastritis, so no need for word games..
most OTC medication long term has side effects, and some contain aluminium, that's why they recommend prescription medication if its long term...

If your gastritis is causing symptoms that you have to suppress using medication (OTC or otherwise) long term, then you have a way more pressing concern than either obesity or diabetes.

And since it’s clear that 50% of the world’s population in fact does not suffer from chronic gastritis, why are we still going on about gastritis instead of obesity and diabetes (which is what this thread is about)?

 

[raman2]

The thread is literally about a drug meant to treat obesity and diabetes If anything you are the one who introduced a false claim that 50% of the world's population has chronic gastritis and wasted everyone's time



If your gastritis is causing symptoms that you have to suppress using medication (OTC or otherwise) long term, then you have a way more pressing concern than either obesity or diabetes.

And since it’s clear that 50% of the world’s population in fact does not suffer from chronic gastritis, why are we still going on about gastritis instead of obesity and diabetes (which is what this thread is about)?

LOL, you argued fasting does not worsen gastritis and even advised ppl taking antacids and fasting, which is awful.

Now saying chronic gastritis is not in 50% of the world population (but many sources say it is including WebMD), so it's not a concern..

ok let's say it's 25% of the world population to make you feel good. still billions of people..

Even if it's 25% or 80% of the world population, it doesn't matter. If you have chronic gastritis, fasting can worsen its symptoms.