Is wife beating and gender discrimination allowed in quran

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

http://www.ishwar.com/islam/holy_quran_(pickthall)/sura004.html

http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSora=4&nAya=34&nSeg=1&l=eng&t=eng

4.34

Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

I would like to know the explanantion for this verse in quran? I think it degrades women and promote sexism and promote gender discrimination. I also see quran support beating women. I think all these verses do not agree with modern civilised way of life. any comments???

 

[Idi Amin]

ex ahamed...wots ur current religion..would like to know ????

 

[sirajstc]

"According to the Qur'an the relationship between the husband and wife should be based on mutual love and kindness. Allah says: "And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect." (Ar-Rum: 21)

The Qur'an urges husbands to treat their wives with kindness. [In the event of a family dispute, the Qur'an exhorts the husband to treat his wife kindly and not to overlook her positive aspects]. Allah Almighty says: “Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.” (An-Nisa’: 19)


The Qur'an is very clear on this issue. Almighty Allah says: "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more strength than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient and guard in the husband's absence what Allah would have them to guard. As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance); for Allah is most High and Great (above you all). If you fear a breach between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his family and the other from hers. If they wish for peace, Allah will cause their reconciliation; for Allah has full knowledge and is acquainted with all things." (An-Nisa': 34-35)


Generally, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to discourage his followers from taking even this measure. He never hit any female, and he used to say that the best of men are those who do not hit their wives. In one hadith he expressed his extreme repulsion from this behavior and said, "How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then embrace (sleep with) her?” (Al-Bukhari, English Translation, vol. 8, Hadith 68, pp. 42-43)



a. It must be seen as a rare exception to the repeated exhortation of mutual respect, kindness and good treatment. Based on the Qur'an and Hadith, this measure may be used in the cases of lewdness on the part of the wife or extreme refraction and rejection of the husband's reasonable requests on a consistent basis (nushuz). Even then, other measures, such as exhortation, should be tried first.

b. As defined by Hadith, it is not permissible to strike anyone's face, cause any bodily harm or even be harsh. What the Hadith qualifies as "dharban ghayra mubarrih", or light striking, was interpreted by early jurists as a (symbolic) use of siwak! They further qualified permissible "striking" as that which leaves no mark on the body. It is interesting that this latter fourteen-centuries-old qualifier is the criterion used in contemporary American law to separate a light and harmless tap or strike from "abuse" in the legal sense. This makes it clear that even this extreme, last resort, and "lesser of the two evils" measure that may save a marriage does not meet the definitions of "physical abuse," "family violence, " or "wife battering" in the 20th century law in liberal democracies, where such extremes are so commonplace that they are seen as national concerns.

c. The permissibility of such symbolic expression of the seriousness of continued refraction does not imply its desirability. In several hadiths, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) discouraged this measure. Here are some of his sayings in this regard:

"Do not beat the female servants of Allah";

"Some (women) visited my family complaining about their husbands (beating them). These (husbands) are not the best of you."

In another hadith the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said: “How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then he may embrace (sleep with) her?”

d. True following of the Sunnah is to follow the example of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) who never resorted to that measure, regardless of the circumstances.

e. Islamic teachings are universal in nature. They respond to the needs and circumstances of diverse times, cultures and circumstances. Some measures may work in some cases and cultures or with certain persons but may not be effective in others. By definition, a "permissible" act is neither required, encouraged or forbidden. In fact it may be to spell out the extent of permissibility, such as in the issue at hand, rather than leaving it unrestricted or unqualified, or ignoring it all together. In the absence of strict qualifiers, persons may interpret the matter in their own way, which can lead to excesses and real abuse.

f. Any excess, cruelty, family violence, or abuse committed by any "Muslim" can never be traced, honestly, to any revelatory text (Qur'an or Hadith). Such excesses and violations are to be blamed on the person(s) himself, as it shows that they are paying lip service to Islamic teachings and injunctions and failing to follow the true Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)."
ema ape agame nikan kiyala ne beat karanna kiyala wife must obet the Husband and read this also

 

[xmpddaja]

http://www.ishwar.com/islam/holy_quran_(pickthall)/sura004.html

http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSora=4&nAya=34&nSeg=1&l=eng&t=eng

4.34

Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

I would like to know the explanantion for this verse in quran? I think it degrades women and promote sexism and promote gender discrimination. I also see quran support beating women. I think all these verses do not agree with modern civilised way of life. any comments???

Umbata Wena Wada Nadda Bun??? Umba Hadanne Ayeth Methana Wali athi karanna. Al-Quran Eka Thiyana Widiyata thibichchawe. Eka Umbata wenas Karanna Bae Ne,.

 

[kotthuyaka]

Umbata Wena Wada Nadda Bun??? Umba Hadanne Ayeth Methana Wali athi karanna. Al-Quran Eka Thiyana Widiyata thibichchawe. Eka Umbata wenas Karanna Bae Ne,.

Prashnayak ahanawa kiyanne wali athi karanawa nemei ne. Forum ekak thiyenne onema dheyak katha karanne puluwan wenna. Harida waradida? Mama nam hithanne hari kiyala. Anith eka eya hodtha widhiyata thama prashneya ahala thiyenne.

 

[xmpddaja]

Prashnayak ahanawa kiyanne wali athi karanawa nemei ne. Forum ekak thiyenne onema dheyak katha karanne puluwan wenna. Harida waradida? Mama nam hithanne hari kiyala. Anith eka eya hodtha widhiyata thama prashneya ahala thiyenne.

Oya Me Eeye Pereda Apu Nisaa Danne nathuwa athi. Ohoma kehemmal threads Walin melo Minihekuta Wadak nae. methana nikan Amanapakam athi kara ganna wenne.

 

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

ex ahamed...wots ur current religion..would like to know ????

my current religion is none of your business. I have left islam and thats it. I am sking a simple explanantion. answer that.

 

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

i think he is buddhist but name eka daala tiyanne islam name ekak

siraj umbata vada hondata islam mama dannawa, ninkan lajja venna epa umbata umbe aagama baha kiyala. varen kandy paththe ..mama umbata ugannan nan islam.

 

[senira]

buddhist

 

[Idi Amin]

my current religion is none of your business. I have left islam and thats it. I am sking a simple explanantion. answer that.

We respect Buddhism and Real Buddhists.....

you wont get any answer unless u disclose ur current religion..

 

[casper_fms]

my current religion is none of your business. I have left islam and thats it. I am sking a simple explanantion. answer that.

If ur real Ex Muslim, u dont need ask these qustion from Us.. also if u know more abt Islam than US... Y u ask these question... U think again with ur knowledge & judge Islam... dats all mate....

 

[Idi Amin]

siraj umbata vada hondata islam mama dannawa, ninkan lajja venna epa umbata umbe aagama baha kiyala. varen kandy paththe ..mama umbata ugannan nan islam.

malli ....dannawanam ay prashna ahanne???? .....umba kandy wala islam ugannanawada???

deepanko umbe kandy address eka ...apitath asai islam igenaganne umben?????

 

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

How and why I left islam

For those who think I am not a true muslim let me tell some of my private details, not because I am afraid of them or anything , but to give them the true picture.

I belong to a very wealthy Muslim family in hill country of sri lanka. I went to a prstigeous school in Kandy (private). After entering university (fac-eng) I began to learn comparative religious studies as a hobby and with increasing science knowledge it became clear Islam is not the religion I want to follow in the 21st century. When I first told I left islam, My family was shocked but after explanin they understood my position. to be honest my father a wealthybusinessman, never knew whats in quran, just attended mosque following tradition. Today my father and me have given up islam and also other family members.( but it is a family secret).

I dont mind what ever the religions others follow, but I call my self a ATHEIST today. I have gained lot of knowledge about all religions around the world, and I am in position to compare the religions than anyone in this forum.

Now Answer my question without Bullsh*****ing!

 

[KHz]

For those who think I am not a true muslim let me tell some of my private details, not because I am afraid of them or anything , but to give them the true picture.

I belong to a very wealthy Muslim family in hill country of sri lanka. I went to a prstigeous school in Kandy (private). After entering university (fac-eng) I began to learn comparative religious studies as a hobby and with increasing science knowledge it became clear Islam is not the religion I want to follow in the 21st century. When I first told I left islam, My family was shocked but after explanin they understood my position. to be honest my father a wealthybusinessman, never knew whats in quran, just attended mosque following tradition. Today my father and me have given up islam and also other family members.( but it is a family secret).

I dont mind what ever the religions others follow, but I call my self a ATHEIST today. I have gained lot of knowledge about all religions around the world, and I am in position to compare the religions than anyone in this forum.

Now Answer my question without Bullsh*****ing!

Sounds Interesting ................So U are telling us that u are not bound to any religion....

 

[Idi Amin]

For those who think I am not a true muslim let me tell some of my private details, not because I am afraid of them or anything , but to give them the true picture.

I belong to a very wealthy Muslim family in hill country of sri lanka. I went to a prstigeous school in Kandy (private). After entering university (fac-eng) I began to learn comparative religious studies as a hobby and with increasing science knowledge it became clear Islam is not the religion I want to follow in the 21st century. When I first told I left islam, My family was shocked but after explanin they understood my position. to be honest my father a wealthybusinessman, never knew whats in quran, just attended mosque following tradition. Today my father and me have given up islam and also other family members.( but it is a family secret).

I dont mind what ever the religions others follow, but I call my self a
ATHEIST today. I have gained lot of knowledge about all religions around the world, and I am in position to compare the religions than anyone in this forum.

Now Answer my question without Bullsh*****ing!

mata p*kenuth hina umbe kathawata........




why should it be a family secret..y dont you tell ur family members wot u believe ....... so ur an Aitheist to start with......

Can you describe how humans came to being according to ur beliefs???

 

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

mata p*kenuth hina umbe kathawata........

really?? ithin umbe P* *a hinanvena tharan loku vune, mosque eke immam hambenna havasata havasata giyaata passeda ??

 

[Idi Amin]

really?? ithin umbe P* *a hinanvena tharan loku vune, mosque eke immam hambenna havasata havasata giyaata passeda ??

Ko Mr local aithist

mage prashneta uththara deela indapanko???

 

[sirajstc]

siraj umbata vada hondata islam mama dannawa, ninkan lajja venna epa umbata umbe aagama baha kiyala. varen kandy paththe ..mama umbata ugannan nan islam.

Affa ennamko kiyala diyan hodata

 

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

mage thread eka !! mamai prashne ahuwe issella. ayi thoe GOD da? issela mage prashneta uththara deepiya!!

 

[sirajstc]

malli ....dannawanam ay prashna ahanne???? .....umba kandy wala islam ugannanawada???

deepanko umbe kandy address eka ...apitath asai islam igenaganne umben?????

Aniwa man kandy yanna innay ma lagadi