can anyone summarize the key points of this please...
read my post again
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G a y s (Homosexuals)?What does Islam tell us about homosexual?
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read my post again
more info check this out http://www.answering-christianity.com/islamic_paradise.htm
1. I do not believe in Koran. So, do you say I also go to hell? Are you sure of that? Who told you so (except your 'book')?is this you?i think so disbelivers go to the hell
2. OK. Let us say homos go to hell. Please tell me (because I am worried to know about it), do masturbators go to hell, too? Homosexuality is today legally recognised in many countries (although it is unnatural). But masturbation is also unnatural.
What does Koran say about masturbation? Is it sinful?
If yes, do you go to hell or do you not?
Please explain this. Please also be honest whether you will also go to hell or not.
can anyone summarize the key points of this please...
මං බැලුවා කවුද මේ පරණ නූලක් උඩට ඇදල තියෙන්නෙ කියල. මං හිතුවෙ, ළඟදි සිරාජ්ලත් එක්ක වලියක් දා ගන්න බැරි වුණු නිසා දුකෙන් ඉන්න කෙනෙක්ගෙ වැඩක් කියල.
read my post again
more info check this out http://www.answering-christianity.com/islamic_paradise.htm
summarize කරන්නකො සිරාජ්. ඔක්කොම කියවන්න බැරි හින්දනෙ මේ කියන්නෙ.
උඩින් පල්ලෙන් කියවපුවම මේකයි සමරිය. ඒ කාලෙත් ගම් දනව් පිටින් ඉඳල තියෙනව සමලිංගිකයින්. මේගොල්ලන්ගෙ දෙවියො කියල ඒක විරුද්ධ ලිංගිකයින්ට එරෙහි ක්රියාවක් කියල; ඉතින් සමලිංගිකයින් හිටපු නගරයක් පිටින් උණු මැටි වස්සවල මැරුවලු. (මං හිතන්නෙ ගිනි කන්දක් පුපුරවන්න ඇති.) තව තැනක තියෙනව අවිවාහක කෙනෙක් සමලිංගික හැසිරීමක යෙදුනොත් කස පහර 100ක් දෙන්නලු; විවාහක කෙනෙක්නම් ගල් ගහල මරන්නලු. කරපු පුද්ගලයා සහ යොදාගත් කෙනා යන දෙන්නම මරන්න ඕනෙලු. (ඒ කියන්නෙ අපයෝජනයට ළක් වුණු අහිංසකයත් මරනවා.)
කෙටියෙන්ම කිව්වොත් සමලිංගිකයින්ව මරන්න ඕනෙයි කියලයි මේ කියන්නෙ.
[SIZE=-1]Islam teaches that homosexual acts are sinful and punishable by God. This teaching comes not from human beings, but from the Creator of all humans. God tells us in His own words how He punished the people of Lot for their homosexual behaviour.[/SIZE]
"Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to." (in reference to the active and passive partners in gay sexual intercourse)
Allah Most High says: "Do you approach the males of humanity, leaving the wives that Allah has created for you? But you are a people who transgress" Koran (26:165-66)
(1) The Prophet (saws) said: (1) "Kill the one who sodomizes and the one who lets if be done to him." (Tirmidhi, a sahih (authentic) hadith)
(2) "May Allah curse him who does that Lot's people did." (Ibn Hibban, sahih (authentic))
(3) "Lesbianism by women is adultery between them." (Tabarani, sahih)"
i have to go now too late Insha Allah i will give tommorow more details about this matter walbadac ya peace
Allah Most High says: "Do you approach the males of humanity, leaving the wives that Allah has created for you? But you are a people who transgress" Koran (26:165-66)
(1) The Prophet (saws) said: (1) "Kill the one who sodomizes and the one who lets if be done to him." (Tirmidhi, a sahih (authentic) hadith)
(2) "May Allah curse him who does that Lot's people did." (Ibn Hibban, sahih (authentic))
(3) "Lesbianism by women is adultery between them." (Tabarani, sahih)"
i have to go now too late Insha Allah i will give tommorow more details about this matter walbada
c ya peace
Homosexuality is forbidden in the Noble Quran: Let us read the following Noble Verses from the Noble Quran:
Noble Verses 26:165-166, 27:55, 29:28-29 were sent to me by brother Bassam Zawadi, may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:
"Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant! (The Noble Quran, 27:55)"
"And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. "Do ye indeed approach men, and cut off the highway?- and practise wickedness (even) in your councils?" But his people gave no answer but this: they said: "Bring us the Wrath of God if thou tellest the truth." (The Noble Quran, 29:28-29)"
Also, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said:
'Abd al-Rahman, the son of Abu Sa'id al-Khudri, reported from his father: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "A man should not see the private parts of another man, and a woman should not see the private parts of another woman, and a man should not lie with another man under one covering, and a woman should not lie with another woman under one covering. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0667)"
his Hadith (Saying of the Prophet) is clearly saying:
1- A man can not see another man's private parts (butt and groin).
2- A woman also can not see another woman's private parts, including breasts except perhaps during the time of suckling a baby.
3- A man can not sleep with another stranger man in the same room.
4- A woman can not sleep with another stranger woman in the same room.
Note: Even bringing suspicion of being a homosexual, fornicator, adulterer or adulterous against yourself is forbidden in Islam.
Noble Verses 26:165-166, 27:55, 29:28-29 were sent to me by brother Bassam Zawadi, may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:
"Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant! (The Noble Quran, 27:55)"
"And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. "Do ye indeed approach men, and cut off the highway?- and practise wickedness (even) in your councils?" But his people gave no answer but this: they said: "Bring us the Wrath of God if thou tellest the truth." (The Noble Quran, 29:28-29)"
Also, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said:
'Abd al-Rahman, the son of Abu Sa'id al-Khudri, reported from his father: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "A man should not see the private parts of another man, and a woman should not see the private parts of another woman, and a man should not lie with another man under one covering, and a woman should not lie with another woman under one covering. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0667)"
his Hadith (Saying of the Prophet) is clearly saying:
1- A man can not see another man's private parts (butt and groin).
2- A woman also can not see another woman's private parts, including breasts except perhaps during the time of suckling a baby.
3- A man can not sleep with another stranger man in the same room.
4- A woman can not sleep with another stranger woman in the same room.
Note: Even bringing suspicion of being a homosexual, fornicator, adulterer or adulterous against yourself is forbidden in Islam.
Treatment of homosexuals within Islam:
According to a pamphlet produced by Al-Fatiha, there is a consensus among Islamic scholars that all humans are naturally heterosexual. 5 Homosexuality is seen by scholars to be a sinful and perverted deviation from the norm. All Islamic schools of thought and jurisprudence consider gay acts to be unlawful. They differ in terms of penalty:
The Hanafite school (currently seen mainly in South and Eastern Asia) teaches that no physical punishment is warranted.
The Hanabalites, (widely followed in the Arab world) teach that severe punishment is warranted.
The Sha'fi school of thought (also seen in the Arab world) requires a minimum of 4 adult male witnesses before a person can be found guilty of a homosexual act. Al-Fatiha estimates that 4,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since their revolution in 1979. 10 public executions of homosexuals have been performed in Afghanistan by the Taliban army.
more info visit here walbada
http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/homosexuality.htm
According to a pamphlet produced by Al-Fatiha, there is a consensus among Islamic scholars that all humans are naturally heterosexual. 5 Homosexuality is seen by scholars to be a sinful and perverted deviation from the norm. All Islamic schools of thought and jurisprudence consider gay acts to be unlawful. They differ in terms of penalty:
The Hanafite school (currently seen mainly in South and Eastern Asia) teaches that no physical punishment is warranted.
The Hanabalites, (widely followed in the Arab world) teach that severe punishment is warranted.
The Sha'fi school of thought (also seen in the Arab world) requires a minimum of 4 adult male witnesses before a person can be found guilty of a homosexual act. Al-Fatiha estimates that 4,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since their revolution in 1979. 10 public executions of homosexuals have been performed in Afghanistan by the Taliban army.
more info visit here walbada
http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/homosexuality.htm
Allah is punishing gays
I think, 99 per cent of people in all countries in the world, including Sri Lanka (and including Muslims as well) have engaged in some kind of homo activity at some stage in life. Actually, surveys done in some countries have revealed so.
If Allah wants to kill them all, then Allah is definitely very inhuman and cruel and brutal. I pray to Allah Oh, give them some lesser punishment than death. The crime is not so serious.
By the way, what punishment are you going to get, sirajstc?
In some countries, homosexuality is even legalised. Do you suggest that all those homos should be killed?
I think, 99 per cent of people in all countries in the world, including Sri Lanka (and including Muslims as well) have engaged in some kind of homo activity at some stage in life. Actually, surveys done in some countries have revealed so.
If Allah wants to kill them all, then Allah is definitely very inhuman and cruel and brutal. I pray to Allah Oh, give them some lesser punishment than death. The crime is not so serious.
By the way, what punishment are you going to get, sirajstc?
What is Allah's punishment for masturbation?
And sirajstc, you have not yet answered my earlier question.
What is Allah's punishment for masturbation?
And sirajstc, you have not yet answered my earlier question.
What is Allah's punishment for masturbation?
Is masturbation allowed in Islam?
Please be advised that my answer supporting masturbation only reflects my personal opinion. The list of the Islamic links below show from their Islamic resources and interpretations that masturbation is not allowed. But however, more was added below that showed from the same Islamic resources and interpretations that masturbation is allowed.
My Answer: Well, since Allah Almighty completely detests the act of zina (fornication or adultery) (Noble Verse 17:32 and Noble Verse 24:2), and He is the one who created the sexual desires in men and women, then therefore, it would make perfect sense for those who are weak to use masturbation as a shield for them from committing an act of zina.
Semen and orgasm, which are generated from either masturbation or sexual intercourse are a must for the body to exert. It is beyond our human-control to prevent sexual desires from rising within us, especially in the pornified West! GOD Almighty created semen to be ejaculated from the human body while experiencing a sexual experience. No human can hold his/her semen in their body. Therefore, it is safe to use masturbation as a shield to protect you from the act of zina (fornication) until you get married. But please try to avoid it as much as possible! Masturbation is not a free license for getting addicted to lust and pornography. To me, and the way I see masturbation is this: It is Allah Almighty's Grace upon those who are too desperate, AGAIN, TOO DESPERATE, to have sex to vent out the sexual frustration and the unbearable temptation that they might have in them. That's all I am saying. I am not in anyway, shape or form saying that lust and pornography are allowed in Islam. But since we're all weak humans, and since masturbation is a mean to vent out our sexual frustrations, especially when we're single and desperate, then limited masturbation might be allowed, especially in this (morally speaking) pornified hell that we live in here - called the West, where everything is literally too sexual and sexually arousing.
Sister Nicole's Answer: The following sites were forwarded to me by sister Nicole Woods; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with her:
Ruling on masturbation and how to cure the problem(329)
Masturbating when fasting(2571)
What is the punishment for masturbation in Islam?
Is masturbation is haram in Islam? What are the things to control this act.
Brother Rached's Answer: The following answer was sent to me by brother Rached Blili; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:
"Salaamu Aleikum, brother Osama.
May Allah always be pleased with you for the work you do every day.
Regarding Sister Nicole's response to your position on masturbation, my reading of the Qur'anic verse she has quoted goes to prove your point more than hers.
"And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts). Except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess[...]"
To me the implication is clear. One guards something from OTHERS, not from one's self. The above instructs us to guard our chastity from OTHER people, EXCEPT our wives and concubines.
Also...
"And let those who find not the financial means for marriage keep themselves chaste[...]"
It says that we should keep ourselves chaste. How should we keep ourselves chaste? It does not say, but masturbation is not excluded as a valid means. (That is, of course, assuming that chastity means having no sex with OTHERS, as discussed above).
Surely if touching our own bodies in a certain way was haraam, Allah would have been more specific. Allah does not say that we cannot scratch our heads, He does not say that we cannot lick our lips, and He does not say that we cannot stroke our genitalia. We do all of the above to satisfy a physical urge: an itch, dry lips, sexual arousal.
My concern is not with the act of masturbation. It is with the thoughts we have while masturbating. Many of these thoughts are very impure. We fantasize about other women, sometimes even married women! In my opinion, THAT is where the evil lies, not in the act.
As for your argument that we simply can't help it in the West, I must respectfully disagree. A more accurate way to say it is that the temptation is too great for you to resist. But that's what it remains: temptation. Allah commands us to resist temptation. The fact that you cannot resist it does not make it impossible, it only makes *you* too weak. You must ask Allah for strength and guidance.
May Allah bestow His Blessings upon you.
Your brother Rached"
More from Harris: The following was sent to me by Harris; a non-Muslim reader, may Allah Almighty guide him to Islam:
"Sir,
I was going through your article about masturbation, and wanted to point out to you that the verses mentioned in the anti-masturbation sites talk about guarding chastity, which is abstention for SEX and not from masturbation. Here's Merriam Webster dictionary's definition of chastity:
chas·ti·ty
Pronunciation: 'chas-t&-tE
Function: noun
Date: 13th century
1 : the quality or state of being chaste : as a : abstention from unlawful
*sexual intercourse* b : abstention from all *sexual intercourse*
In fact, Yousaf ali has translated the verse in the following way:
"''...Who abstain from **sex**, Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess"
Just thought I'd point it out. I don't see any valid point against masturbation in any religious scripture of Islam.
sincerely,
Harris."
Further sites to research:
The Islamic cure for masturbation.
X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.
Christianity of today is the real cause for the sexual sinning.
A story about a 16-year-old Muslimah girl in Texas.
Brother Osama, I have an excessive problem with masturbation. Any advise?
Please be advised that my answer supporting masturbation only reflects my personal opinion. The list of the Islamic links below show from their Islamic resources and interpretations that masturbation is not allowed. But however, more was added below that showed from the same Islamic resources and interpretations that masturbation is allowed.
My Answer: Well, since Allah Almighty completely detests the act of zina (fornication or adultery) (Noble Verse 17:32 and Noble Verse 24:2), and He is the one who created the sexual desires in men and women, then therefore, it would make perfect sense for those who are weak to use masturbation as a shield for them from committing an act of zina.
Semen and orgasm, which are generated from either masturbation or sexual intercourse are a must for the body to exert. It is beyond our human-control to prevent sexual desires from rising within us, especially in the pornified West! GOD Almighty created semen to be ejaculated from the human body while experiencing a sexual experience. No human can hold his/her semen in their body. Therefore, it is safe to use masturbation as a shield to protect you from the act of zina (fornication) until you get married. But please try to avoid it as much as possible! Masturbation is not a free license for getting addicted to lust and pornography. To me, and the way I see masturbation is this: It is Allah Almighty's Grace upon those who are too desperate, AGAIN, TOO DESPERATE, to have sex to vent out the sexual frustration and the unbearable temptation that they might have in them. That's all I am saying. I am not in anyway, shape or form saying that lust and pornography are allowed in Islam. But since we're all weak humans, and since masturbation is a mean to vent out our sexual frustrations, especially when we're single and desperate, then limited masturbation might be allowed, especially in this (morally speaking) pornified hell that we live in here - called the West, where everything is literally too sexual and sexually arousing.
Sister Nicole's Answer: The following sites were forwarded to me by sister Nicole Woods; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with her:
Ruling on masturbation and how to cure the problem(329)
Masturbating when fasting(2571)
What is the punishment for masturbation in Islam?
Is masturbation is haram in Islam? What are the things to control this act.
Brother Rached's Answer: The following answer was sent to me by brother Rached Blili; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:
"Salaamu Aleikum, brother Osama.
May Allah always be pleased with you for the work you do every day.
Regarding Sister Nicole's response to your position on masturbation, my reading of the Qur'anic verse she has quoted goes to prove your point more than hers.
"And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts). Except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess[...]"
To me the implication is clear. One guards something from OTHERS, not from one's self. The above instructs us to guard our chastity from OTHER people, EXCEPT our wives and concubines.
Also...
"And let those who find not the financial means for marriage keep themselves chaste[...]"
It says that we should keep ourselves chaste. How should we keep ourselves chaste? It does not say, but masturbation is not excluded as a valid means. (That is, of course, assuming that chastity means having no sex with OTHERS, as discussed above).
Surely if touching our own bodies in a certain way was haraam, Allah would have been more specific. Allah does not say that we cannot scratch our heads, He does not say that we cannot lick our lips, and He does not say that we cannot stroke our genitalia. We do all of the above to satisfy a physical urge: an itch, dry lips, sexual arousal.
My concern is not with the act of masturbation. It is with the thoughts we have while masturbating. Many of these thoughts are very impure. We fantasize about other women, sometimes even married women! In my opinion, THAT is where the evil lies, not in the act.
As for your argument that we simply can't help it in the West, I must respectfully disagree. A more accurate way to say it is that the temptation is too great for you to resist. But that's what it remains: temptation. Allah commands us to resist temptation. The fact that you cannot resist it does not make it impossible, it only makes *you* too weak. You must ask Allah for strength and guidance.
May Allah bestow His Blessings upon you.
Your brother Rached"
More from Harris: The following was sent to me by Harris; a non-Muslim reader, may Allah Almighty guide him to Islam:
"Sir,
I was going through your article about masturbation, and wanted to point out to you that the verses mentioned in the anti-masturbation sites talk about guarding chastity, which is abstention for SEX and not from masturbation. Here's Merriam Webster dictionary's definition of chastity:
chas·ti·ty
Pronunciation: 'chas-t&-tE
Function: noun
Date: 13th century
1 : the quality or state of being chaste : as a : abstention from unlawful
*sexual intercourse* b : abstention from all *sexual intercourse*
In fact, Yousaf ali has translated the verse in the following way:
"''...Who abstain from **sex**, Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess"
Just thought I'd point it out. I don't see any valid point against masturbation in any religious scripture of Islam.
sincerely,
Harris."
Further sites to research:
The Islamic cure for masturbation.
X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.
Christianity of today is the real cause for the sexual sinning.
A story about a 16-year-old Muslimah girl in Texas.
Brother Osama, I have an excessive problem with masturbation. Any advise?
lol the copy paste idiot, copying n pasting. Y dont you guys try 2 teach a cow combined maths?? this born-idiot cant understand anything. so asking things from him is like බීරි අලින්ට වීනා වාදනය කිරීම
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මං බැලුවා කවුද මේ පරණ නූලක් උඩට ඇදල තියෙන්නෙ කියල. මං හිතුවෙ, ළඟදි සිරාජ්ලත් එක්ක වලියක් දා ගන්න බැරි වුණු නිසා දුකෙන් ඉන්න කෙනෙක්ගෙ වැඩක් කියල.
අනේ නෑ....මං ළග ඔය වලි මූඩ් නෑ නෙ...
'The person who performs Nikah with his hands (i.e.
masturbates) is cursed. (Tafseer Mazhari vol. 12 p. 94)
හපොයි.....
masturbates) is cursed. (Tafseer Mazhari vol. 12 p. 94)
හපොයි.....
No. You are wrong. The figure is not 95% but 99%. 1 % people have serious defects in their brain or central nervous system. They do not feel any sexual urge/feeling.
99 % normal people have masturbated. There is 1 % who say they did not. There is 1 % of people who are liars.
Give a simple direct reply
sirajstc, I don't think anybody has enough time or patience to read your long harangue - as long as half the Koran - in addition to so many of your links.
Why not give simple yes/no answer, and maybe, a simple explanation, in addition, in your own words.
Let me repeat the simple questions.
1. Does Allah punish masturbators?
2. If yes, what is the punishment you are going to get?.
sirajstc, I don't think anybody has enough time or patience to read your long harangue - as long as half the Koran - in addition to so many of your links.
Why not give simple yes/no answer, and maybe, a simple explanation, in addition, in your own words.
Let me repeat the simple questions.
1. Does Allah punish masturbators?
2. If yes, what is the punishment you are going to get?.
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