If God created ALL, what created God?

[ela_eluwa120]

Please explain why not..

Tell me this:
1. What is time?
2. How do you know that every action takes time?


(Sorry I had to correct my wording from 'process' to 'action'. We are not talking about the 'process of' creation of the universe. We are talking about the point at which the process of universe started, at which point time started as well. This is really the 'action' of creation of universe.)
After the process is started, there is time. But we cannot talk about 'time' before any process is started in the universe. An abstract God is not a part of the universe.

By your change of wording I assumed that you agree a 'process' requires time. can you please provide a yes or no answer.

 

[ග්‍රාත්තලක්]

By your change of wording I assumed that you agree a 'process' required time. can you please provide a yes or no answer.

We need the concept of time to understand process to be sequential. I had used that word in a post by mistake. A process itself is not relevant here, because we are talking only about the initiation of the process: I have clearly explained it:

After the process is started, there is time. But we cannot talk about 'time' before any process is started in the universe. An abstract God is not a part of the universe.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

Yes, we need the concept of time to understand a sequential process. I had used that word in a post by mistake. A process itself is not relevant here, because we are talking only about the initiation of the process: I have clearly explained it:

So, you agree that a process works in time. Time is used to measure in-betweens of a process. Plus, the initiation of the process(which you defined as a action) is also a result of another process and that process also requires time to happen.

 

[ග්‍රාත්තලක්]

So, you agree that a process works in time. Time is used to measure in-betweens of a process. Plus, the initiation of the process(which you defined as a action) is also a result of another process and that process also requires time to happen.

What are the processes that existed before the initiation of all processes of the universe?

 

[ela_eluwa120]

What are the processes that existed before the initiation of all processes of the universe?

If give you an answer, then you will ask what exicted before that process.

All of these are effects of causes, and the "first cause" is also a result of another cause.

 

[ග්‍රාත්තලක්]

If give you an answer, then you will ask what exicted before that process.

You already said that the initiation of the processes of universe is a result of another previous process. If so, that 'another process' must have existed before any processes existed in the universe. This sounds very silly.

All of these are effects of causes, and the "first cause" is also a result of another cause.

Remember, we are not talking about the Buddhist viewpoint here. We are talking about if god created universe, what happened before that.

 

[ela_eluwa120]

Remember, we are not talking about the Buddhist viewpoint here.

ok

We are talking about if god created universe, what happened before that.

I am not a person who claims that god created the universe, and this is the point where all the theist religions fail.

PS: If you are theist, you arguing against yourself.

 

[Elcid]

Brother, I think it is not a good thing to argue about these things..I'm a Buddhist and I never believe any god..But as we know it better to keep quiet in these things..
At the end of his life Einstine tried to find out the formula which creates this world..I don't know whether god do it or not..But if some one find out that so we can decide it..But there is also a problem when we are arguing about these things with science..Science always depends on theories and Laws.But they will changing with the time..So we cant beleive in Science 100%.

Sry for the jump in bro.good Luck.

Lord Buddha,Allah,Jesus they all show us the way to our life..So I respect all of them.

 

[ග්‍රාත්තලක්]

I am not a person who claims that god created the universe, and this is the point where all the theist religions fail.

Don't just declare something that you have failed to prove. Theist religions do not contradict by saying that the universe was created by an abstract god. I have explained this.

PS: If you are theist, you arguing against yourself.

I don't understand what this means. By the way, I am a Buddhist. But I don't like using western science to 'prove' Buddhism. Western science was developed largely upon the very basics of the Jewish and Christian concepts. That is why the big bang theory and evolutionism both have linear pathways and insist on ORIGINS. This is developed from the very same concept as of the creation of the universe by an abstract god. So if you try to connect Buddhism to western science, that will result in Christianization of Buddhism.

I just wanted to show that you cannot challenge a religion in silly ways like this. Theist religions with abstract gods are also great philosophies. The god is made to be abstract for a reason. If you really want to challenge them, first study their basics without looking at trivial outer details.

 

[dilankandy]

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Theist religions do not contradict by saying that the universe was created by an abstract god.

I don't understand what this means. By the way, I am a Buddhist. But I don't like using western science to 'prove' Buddhism. Western science was developed largely upon the very basics of the Jewish and Christian concepts. That is why the big bang theory and evolutionism both have linear pathways and insist on ORIGINS. This is developed from the very same concept as of the creation of the universe by an abstract god. So if you try to connect Buddhism to western science, that will result in Christianization of Buddhism.

I just wanted to show that you cannot challenge a religion in silly ways like this. Theist religions with abstract gods are also great philosophies. The god is made to be abstract for a reason. .

I can clearly see that you are arguing with your own self.
You say you are a Buddhist. Answer me...

0.) How can a person become a buddhist?
1.) What did Lord buddha said when a person asked him "What is the origin of universe?"
2.) What is the "VIDYAWA" described in buddhism and what is "Vidyawa" known as western science? What is the difference?
3.) Do you believe in any Abstract or Almighty god?
4.) What are the reasons for god made to be abstract?
4.) How can it be silly to challenge a religion by proving their own basic concepts are false?
5.) How can a philosophy be great when it starts with a lie continue with lies and ends with a lie?

If you are intelligent enough as a buddhist you will find answers to your questions from the answer to these questions. But please post your answers in here so everybody can see them....

 

[IcedEarth]

The answer is simple. If god created the universe, he created time as well. So there was no 'time' before creation of the universe. In fact 'before creation of universe' is a meaningless idea. Therefore, 'creation of god' is an even meaningless idea. Those who quote western science against god should know that the same argument is used in western science about the origin of universe. Christianity and Islam says universe was created by god. Western science says universe was CREATED by itself, so that it has a beginning, but there is not something like 'before the origin of the universe'.

Time is relative machoo. Simply there is not a such thing called TIME. It is a name that is using by humans.So we can tell relatively to BigBang there wasn't time before the BigBang. But it was there before the BIgBang!!!!!

 

[ග්‍රාත්තලක්]

I can clearly see that you are arguing with your own self.
You say you are a Buddhist. Answer me...

0.) How can a person become a buddhist?
1.) What did Lord buddha said when a person asked him "What is the origin of universe?"
2.) What is the "VIDYAWA" described in buddhism and what is "Vidyawa" known as western science? What is the difference?
3.) Do you believe in any Abstract or Almighty god?
4.) What are the reasons for god made to be abstract?
4.) How can it be silly to challenge a religion by proving their own basic concepts are false?
5.) How can a philosophy be great when it starts with a lie continue with lies and ends with a lie?

If you are intelligent enough as a buddhist you will find answers to your questions from the answer to these questions. But please post your answers in here so everybody can see them....

0, 1 & 2: As a Buddhist, you should know the answers. Therefore, I need not tell you again. Tell me only if I have said something wrong in this thread.

3: No. But I argued that If a god created the universe we cannot talk about anything before that.

4a: Major reason in relevance to the creation is that an abstract god is not a part of the universe he created.

4b & 5: I have explained everything. Please read my posts.

 

[dilankandy]

0, 1 & 2: As a Buddhist, you should know the answers. Therefore, I need not tell you again. Tell me only if I have said something wrong in this thread.

3: No. But I argued that If a god created the universe we cannot talk about anything before that.

4a: Major reason in relevance to the creation is that an abstract god is not a part of the universe he created.

4b & 5: I have explained everything. Please read my posts.

Do not escape my friend. I know the answers and thats why i asked you those questions in the first place. dont slip away. Answer me.
Then i will point out what are the odd in your posts....

You are talking about if. You are not certain weather god exist or not/ give a direct answer..

again i need to know the answers for those questions to reply you

 

[ග්‍රාත්තලක්]

Do not escape my friend. I know the answers and thats why i asked you those questions in the first place. dont slip away. Answer me.
Then i will point out what are the odd in your posts....

I don't need to waste time posting things that are already known to you and irrelevant to this thread. I have already posted what is relevant to the question asked in the thread: 'If god created universe, what happened before that'. Please point out anything wrong in it. Then I will answer.

You are talking about if. You are not certain weather god exist or not/ give a direct answer..

again i need to know the answers for those questions to reply you

I have already said that I do not believe that a creator god exists. But it does not prevent me from talking what would happen if one existed.

 

[dilankandy]

I don't need to waste time posting things that are already known to you and irrelevant to this thread. I have already posted what is relevant to the question asked in the thread: 'If god created universe, what happened before that'. Please point out anything wrong in it. Then I will answer.



I have already said that I do not believe that a creator god exists. But it does not prevent me from talking what would happen if one existed.

It may known to me but not for the others. bdw How can i be so sure that you know the answers. i dont have parachitta wijanana kchanaya....

You are saying that posting the way to be a buddhist and about vidyawa in buddhism is a waste of you time. So posting about buddhism is a waste of your time.
Lord Buddha said that discussing or talking (in here posting) is a merit for him. because by that lot of people will come into shradda , and increase their prachha. if you described the viidyawa of buddhism it is the path way to enlightment. You deny lord buddha's words. YOU ARE NOT A BUDDHIST

and you are saying im speaking about irrelavant things. Well look at the thread Topic! it says If god created world who created god. this is religious section brother, we are talking about religious beliefs, not something that we do not believe.

You do not believe god exist but then you want to argue what he if exist..
My simple reply ARE YOU INSANE??
no this isnt funny, i am serious. why dont you talk about this--> i believe in killing my mother is an anantharya sin, but i want to argue if it isnt a sin
or i believe in buddhism is true but what if isnt

YOU ARE NOT A BUDDHIST!!

My fellow buddhist friends do not argue with this man until he answers those questions i asked him first. Because i think he is a fake id of someone else's...

 

[Elcid]

Guyz I have some ebooks with this subject..God & Science.If u are interested tell me..It is not good to publish them without a request..B'coz there are some doubts about them.

 

[Elcid]

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." From a letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954








Regarding life-after-death,

Einstein said, "I cannot imagine a
God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose
purposes are modeled after our own—a God, in short, who is but
a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual
survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor​

such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."

This is only his Idea.

I am a Buddhist.I really Believe in my religion..And I think Its better to have a open Idea About other Believes..I am not Atheist..But I think there Should Be some thing More.

 

[සුදර්ම]

Don't just declare something that you have failed to prove. Theist religions do not contradict by saying that the universe was created by an abstract god. I have explained this.



I don't understand what this means. By the way, I am a Buddhist. But I don't like using western science to 'prove' Buddhism. Western science was developed largely upon the very basics of the Jewish and Christian concepts. That is why the big bang theory and evolutionism both have linear pathways and insist on ORIGINS. This is developed from the very same concept as of the creation of the universe by an abstract god. So if you try to connect Buddhism to western science, that will result in Christianization of Buddhism.

I just wanted to show that you cannot challenge a religion in silly ways like this. Theist religions with abstract gods are also great philosophies. The god is made to be abstract for a reason. If you really want to challenge them, first study their basics without looking at trivial outer details.

Another loyal adherent of Nalin de Silva, posting in the wrong place, unknowingly goying කඩේ to extreamists and Talibans.

 

[hafizsaad]

It may known to me but not for the others. bdw How can i be so sure that you know the answers. i dont have parachitta wijanana kchanaya....

You are saying that posting the way to be a buddhist and about vidyawa in buddhism is a waste of you time. So posting about buddhism is a waste of your time.
Lord Buddha said that discussing or talking (in here posting) is a merit for him. because by that lot of people will come into shradda , and increase their prachha. if you described the viidyawa of buddhism it is the path way to enlightment. You deny lord buddha's words. YOU ARE NOT A BUDDHIST

and you are saying im speaking about irrelavant things. Well look at the thread Topic! it says If god created world who created god. this is religious section brother, we are talking about religious beliefs, not something that we do not believe.

You do not believe god exist but then you want to argue what he if exist..
My simple reply ARE YOU INSANE??
no this isnt funny, i am serious. why dont you talk about this--> i believe in killing my mother is an anantharya sin, but i want to argue if it isnt a sin
or i believe in buddhism is true but what if isnt

YOU ARE NOT A BUDDHIST!!

My fellow buddhist friends do not argue with this man until he answers those questions i asked him first. Because i think he is a fake id of someone else's...

Brother you have said in one of your post that our religion ask us to search with mind before acceptance but what your action is showing here.
A budhish person has when given non bias and rational view you have denied to accept him as budhish and kick him from budhism and another person start saying him extremist and taliban at once instead of reply to his logic about God. Is there restriction in budhism to give rational and personal view about others.
He has told in the post that he has no believe on the creator God that could not be said by any believer of God (Muslim, cristian etc). A true believer of God can give all thing but can't say like this..

 

[hafizsaad]

Brother, I think it is not a good thing to argue about these things..I'm a Buddhist and I never believe any god..But as we know it better to keep quiet in these things..
At the end of his life Einstine tried to find out the formula which creates this world..I don't know whether god do it or not..But if some one find out that so we can decide it..But there is also a problem when we are arguing about these things with science..Science always depends on theories and Laws.But they will changing with the time..So we cant beleive in Science 100%.

Sry for the jump in bro.good Luck.

Lord Buddha,Allah,Jesus they all show us the way to our life..So I respect all of them.

i appreciate your thought