LIAR ! Do Not Come To SriLanka

[Wal Bada]

There iare no 'versions' of it to suite the likings of the people ! There is only 1 Quran and its message is clear and to be read in context ! If you accept it fine , and if not also fine! but misquoting,misinterpreting and eventually trying to portray it in biased light, not fine !

What is this context? Where it is written that Quran should be interpreted in such a context? This is bullshit used by namy muslims to defend Quran

 

[diamonddrago]

So we have no argument on that! Good!



Well sadly GOD doesn't have to go through all this had he create all of us to behave in such a manner that we could never betray him.. if the creation is faulty.. the creator is faulty!!

He give the freedom to humans to think free and when they do and not choose him... he punishes! That's so lame..

Then why create human with freedom to think/reason anyway?

if God created us all to worship Him equally he might as well have kept us in heaven....along with the angels.....

we were sent to earth coz of the Adam and Eve incident....(you probably know don't wanna waste space...)

and now on earth...it is a test....what Do we do with the gifts God gave us...how do we use it....do we help the needy...or be greedy...

do we follow His divine laws...or run a mock....etc etc....

why this test.....? we don't know....but we are here...and test is already started....

but don't worry God is just....always just....

 

[diamonddrago]

What is this context? Where it is written that Quran should be interpreted in such a context? This is bullshit used by namy muslims to defend Quran

only a man who makes buttons knows the context of making buttons....

a man burning tar is the only one who knows the context of making tar....

same way...only a man who reads the Quran can know the context of the Quran....

and only a man who wants the truth and not just blind ego boost...will search the truth...the right way (in this case read the Quran with open mind and not just read selected parts)....

can't make it more simple than that.....

 

[firoz85]

That's exactly what I'm saying... no ones misinterpreting anything in Quran... its just there as clear as you like!

BOTTOMLINE:

Allah will punish you.. Allah knows and uses violence if he has to... he will skin you alive on judgment day if its needed!!

No matter under what circumstances.. THIS IS VIOLENCE!

And I too only got this to say to you, If you accept that its violence.. then its fine... if not you can keep telling yourself its not... but you can't lie to your conscious which keeps telling you that's wrong!

When you take things out of situation , or potray verses in isolation and twist the meaning thats misinterpreting ! There is something called the Ijmah - consensus - amongst the scholars and 95 percent of them agree as to the meaning and what it means with regard to when it was revealed and the context ! Thats what it means , sometimes i admit they are severe and most of them in description of hellfire , punishment and to portray consequences of sins in this world ! But like above 'kill the infidels' is quoted in isolation and out of context so as to portray this incitement of hatred ! When the actual meaning is relevant to whilst the men were engaged in battle !

Yes God has forwarned us for the consequences of what we do in this world and its not like it is done for fun or enjoyment ! We dont have the concept of a Just God that will make us bear the consequences of what we have done in this world , so hence the explicit description of punishment in the afterlife. If anything but to drive us towards doing good in this life !

If you perceive that violence then so be it , but for us its punishment (to which both muslims and non muslims are susceptible to)- even if it is violent ! Secondly to word used in the Quran is penalty,torture which has a prerequisite of evil action !

Our conscience doesnt tell us 'violence' or 'use of force' is wrong in every situation ! It is allowed in certain circumstances and we know that there is a heavy price to pay if we dont live our best in this life , if we indulge in evil and dont seek Gods Forgiveness

 

[Wal Bada]

the identity of a country is its people.....not its govt....ore religion....not majority...the people who live in it...and how they treat each other....

to me that is a country.....and in that sense....to me my country is the best...so i will defend its honor...with everything i got....even if it kicks out Dr.Zakir Naik.....

Now do you understand that people means people of past and present? That means civilization. That civilization has an unmistakable Buddhist identity.

It does not mean that other could not live hear, but the country has a Buddhist identity

 

[diamonddrago]

Now the big, fat, bold question is, did any of this invaders put sword to the necks of the captured and asked them to convert to Buddhism, and then defended it using Tipitaka?

if you are saying Muslims did that...i would point to India...Greece....Turkey....Muslims conquered those countries and held it for many years....

 

[diamonddrago]

Now do you understand that people means people of past and present? That means civilization. That civilization has an unmistakable Buddhist identity.

It does not mean that other could not live hear, but the country has a Buddhist identity

well i am here....so are many Muslims....Catholics...and Tamils....

we have had even the British and Portuguese make civilizations here....

including south Indians....and the vaddhas came even before everyone else....

so how many of these civilizations are you saying were Buddhist and how many were not.....

by people i mean the people living in a country currently...and not just the majority....

 

[sri_lion]

self defense...and cold blooded murder is also a big difference....

Doesn't matter...

Buddhism defines this well... you plan, you execute, you succeed.. you are already in the zone... there is that 5 criteria that should be met for you to be officially sinned! (lazy to explain right now... if you insist I will )

Infact you can self defense according to Buddhism without a problem.. all depends on your intent!

You can lie to anything on this planet.. not to you, and that's the foundation of Buddhism.. your mind!!

next time you burn your hand accidentally don't defend yourself by taking your hand away....then tell me....

Nothing to do with the kind of self defense we are talking about here...

These are reflexes hard wired into genetics nothing you can do about it!

 

[Wal Bada]

who said nationality is haraam (not allowed by Islamic law) for us....

God > parents > Family(friends) > Country + law......believe it or not is Islam's priority...

So, i have the ugly job of quoting the Quran to an ignorant Muslim.

You will not find the people who believe in God and the Hereafter taking as allies the enemies of God and His Prophet, whether they be their fathers or sons or brothers or fellow tribesmen

And a reputed Muslim site explains as follows

“Islam came to establish only one relationship which binds men together in the sight of God, and if this relationship is firmly established, then all other relationships based on blood or other considerations become eliminated.

“Islam came with this total guidance and decisive teaching. It came to elevate man above, and release him from, the bonds of the earth and soil. A Muslim has no country except that part of the earth where the Shari’ah of God is established and human relationships are based on the foundation of relationship with God; a Muslim has no nationality except his belief, which makes him a member of the Muslim community in Dar-ul-Islam; a Muslim has no relatives except those who share the belief in God, and thus a bond is established between him and other Believers through their relationship with God. “

“Thus this partisanship-the partisanship of lineage-ended; and this slogan-the slogan of race-died; and this pride-the pride of nationality-vanished; and man’s spirit soared to higher horizons, freed from the bondage of flesh and blood and the pride of soil and country”

Source

Now don't beat about the bush. Muslims has only two countries. Muslim country and country that should be made muslim. Nothing else

 

[firoz85]

I agree on what you say about people doesn't choose to be violent, well at least not the overwhelming majority!

But religion is something that is also called faith, its hard wired into you since the day you were born, it has a big part in people's deeds, when you allow that bit.. license to kill from the faith.. people will misuse it..

There's violent people from all walks of life... belong to all religions.. in Islam though you can justify it through the holy book.. In Buddhism you cannot... A BIG DIFFERENCE!

Bein muslim is to have rational faith ! Islam tells us to ponder on the authenticity of the the religion you are following and not blindly follow ! It is a choice of submission not the predominant brainwashing or cultural sprouts you see !

Even if religion does not address the issue of killing, people will still kill and will have all sorts of licenses for that ! Eg racial (superiority of aryan race) political even for honor !

This is precisely why Islam address the issue in detail and provides stern conditions in which muslims can use force. For eg when they are oppressed , in self defence and like mentioned above there are rules of combat ! Eg no killing of women and children or civilians , only combatants , you are not even allowed to strike in teh face or even a cut a tree in enemy territory and if the enemy declares peace you are supposed ' to escort him to a place of safety' ! There are conditions to engage in combat and consequence for unjust actions ! Although people will try to justify everything , if ponder logically you can clearly see the contradiction in teachings and practice unless there is already a preinstilled bias against religion !

You see what your saying is in Budhism since the issue is not there , you are not accountable. Like for example if a man tries to kill you and you kill him instead , robbed him and mutilated him can you not say 'well its not addressed so im safe' . Wht if some one wages war on you ? Similiar with evolutionary atheist philosphy.Survival of the fittest , no guidlines , no accountabilty We beleive violence or use of force is allowed in certain . very prescribed circumstances !

 

[Wal Bada]

only a man who makes buttons knows the context of making buttons....

a man burning tar is the only one who knows the context of making tar....

same way...only a man who reads the Quran can know the context of the Quran....

and only a man who wants the truth and not just blind ego boost...will search the truth...the right way (in this case read the Quran with open mind and not just read selected parts)....

can't make it more simple than that.....

I am laughing my Ass off. So the context changes from person to person/ LMAO!

Dr Ali Sina knows Quran cover to cover. So his context should also be correct. That means you can interpret Quran in any way you want. Now who are you to judge whether my interpretation is right or wrong? According to Quran only Allah knows which is correct interpretation. That means Quran is useless load of paper. Sorry, but that's what it implies.

 

[diamonddrago]

So, i have the ugly job of quoting the Quran to an ignorant Muslim.



And a reputed Muslim site explains as follows



Source

Now don't beat about the bush. Muslims has only two countries. Muslim country and country that should be made muslim. Nothing else

its also says no bonds other than the ones created for God....yet our bonds with our parents are held at paramount....so much that if a parent frowns at us and we don't ask them to forgive us...we can be punished in hell...

two cents opinions like that are plenty....certain mulla's (religious scholars) reveal in trying to take apart the Quran verses..and make up things they want....that is why the quran and the hadiths (life style of the prophet and his disciples) are joined together....

basically its a internal Islamic matter....and that guy was quoting mulla of the fundamentalist sort....the same creeps who spawn guys like Osama bin laden....

 

[Wal Bada]

if you are saying Muslims did that...i would point to India...Greece....Turkey....Muslims conquered those countries and held it for many years....

And majority of Turkey is Muslim when I last checked out. And world'ssecond largest Islam Muslim population lives in India Everyone knows how they killed Hindu's who did not convert.

 

[diamonddrago]

I am laughing my Ass off. So the context changes from person to person/ LMAO!

Dr Ali Sina knows Quran cover to cover. So his context should also be correct. That means you can interpret Quran in any way you want. Now who are you to judge whether my interpretation is right or wrong? According to Quran only Allah knows which is correct interpretation. That means Quran is useless load of paper. Sorry, but that's what it implies.

lol...the context is the message of the Quran...not the interpretations....

meaning of context according to dictionary....

con·text /ˈkɒn

tɛkst


–noun1.the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.

2. the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.

3.Mycology. the fleshy fibrous body of the pileus in mushrooms.

 

[Wal Bada]

its also says no bonds other than the ones created for God....yet our bonds with our parents are held at paramount....so much that if a parent frowns at us and we don't ask them to forgive us...we can be punished in hell...

Ha! Ha! only if they are belivers. If they are non-believers, Quran asks to dispense them.

two cents opinions like that are plenty....certain mulla's (religious scholars) reveal in trying to take apart the Quran verses..and make up things they want....that is why the quran and the hadiths (life style of the prophet and his disciples) are joined together....

basically its a internal Islamic matter....and that guy was quoting mulla of the fundamentalist sort....the same creeps who spawn guys like Osama bin laden....

Let's give the doubt, becaue it's not in Quran / Hadith. But the first point stands.

 

[Wal Bada]

lol...the context is the message of the Quran...not the interpretations....

meaning of context according to dictionary....

con·text /ˈkɒn

tɛkst


–noun1.the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.

2. the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.

3.Mycology. the fleshy fibrous body of the pileus in mushrooms.

Now don't fool around. To get's the message you should interpret it. Interpretation is two fold. Literal and contextual. Now I am asking who decides the context of it?

 

[diamonddrago]

And majority of Turkey is Muslim when I last checked out. And world'ssecond largest Islam Muslim population lives in India Everyone knows how they killed Hindu's who did not convert.

LMAO.....

Turkey

http://www.allaboutturkey.com/hristiyan.htm

Since up to 98 percent of the population are Muslims, Christians are obviously a minority religion in Turkey. Because it is a secular country, the only Muslim country in the world that has no state religion, the Constitution guarantees religious freedom, and tolerance is the rule. The population includes members of the Armenian Apostolic and Greek Orthodox churches, Roman and Eastern Catholics, and Jews. Today, approximately 120,000 Christians and 26,000 Jews live in Turkey, out of 73 million of the total population.

India

http://censusindia.gov.in/Census_Data_2001/India_at_glance/religion.aspx

Hindus​

827,578,868​

80.5​

Muslims​

138,188,240​

13.4​

Christians​

24,080,016​

2.3​

Sikhs​

19,215,730​

1.9​

Buddhists​

7,955,207​

0.8​

Jains​

4,225,053​

0.4​

Other Religions & Persuasions​

6,639,626​

0.6​

Religion not stated​

727,588​

0.1​

Total *​

1,028,610,328​

100.0​

You tell me....

 

[diamonddrago]

Now don't fool around. To get's the message you should interpret it. Interpretation is two fold. Literal and contextual. Now I am asking who decides the context of it?

its the dictionary...context means the message...and flow of the text/message...nothing to do with interpretations....

maybe if you had opened the dictionary once a while you would have learned to understand us Muslims at least a bit better....

 

[firoz85]

Now do you understand that people means people of past and present? That means civilization. That civilization has an unmistakable Buddhist identity.

It does not mean that other could not live hear, but the country has a Buddhist identity

The budhist identity is great but does that mean interfaith dialogue is not allowed ? Or seminars that wont distrupt your way of life the slightest bit is wrong ? If you do have intellectual and philosophical issues is it wrong in budhism to provide a platform to put your point across ?

 

[diamonddrago]

Ha! Ha! only if they are belivers. If they are non-believers, Quran asks to dispense them.

Let's give the doubt, becaue it's not in Quran / Hadith. But the first point stands.

LMAO....

hadiths.....this is why mulla's who use only quran are so....blood thirsty....


Story 1

On the authority of Asmaa' Bint Abi Bakr she said "My mother came to visit me one day. At that time she was still a polytheist and there was a pledge between the Prophet , Peace and Blessings be Upon Him, and Quraish (one of the great tribes in Arabia that lived in Mecca in the pre Islamic Period of Ignorance who used to enjoy great spiritual and financial powers). I requested the Prophet's , Peace and Blessings be Upon Him, religious verdict and said: Oh Prophet of Allah, my mother came to visit me, seeking my help; should I keep a good relationship with her? Yes, keep a good relation with her said the Prophet , Peace and Blessings be Upon Him:. Reported by Bukhari and Muslim, and this narration is listed in Sahih Muslim under # 1003

n another version narrated by Ahmad, on the authority of Asmaa' Bint Abi Bakr she said " My mother came to visit me when she was still a polytheist and she was living amongst Quraish. She was desirous, meaning in need, so I asked the Prophet , Peace and Blessings be Upon Him, and said: Oh Prophet of Allah my mother came to me and she is a polytheist and she needs help. Should I keep a good relationship with her? He said yes maintain a good relationship with her

there are many more...too big to post here.....

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/322

don't try to teach ME my religion....