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Emios · Jul 4, 2026

ek_rosh said:
whats the issue staying mara till it decays because if he canot make any harm?

you said fire was never is the issue.why cut fuel to fire anyway if it so. just imagine with what you say fire never ended.you will ask what is the issue staying for eternitiy if fire did not make any harm. it is because you ended fuel to fire you say these,which the output was the issue

ek_rosh · Jul 4, 2026

Emios said:
you said fire was never is the issue.why cut fuel to fire anyway if it so. just imagine with what you say fire never ended.you will ask what is the issue staying for eternitiy if fire did not make any harm. it is because you ended fuel to fire you say these,which the output was the issue

you DONT cut fuel to fire because fire is BAD.
you STOP clinging to fire coz it BRUNS you.
once you STOP CLINGING, the fire doesnt get fuel no more..

nipund · Jul 4, 2026

ek_rosh said:
fire will end, NOT because of an issue...not becuase someone needs it... simply by the cut off of fuel at the arihat..

remember, buddha has repeatedly said, alll dukkas are ended at arihat...there is no more need to do

IMHO this is not correct dukkha-dukkha and Sankara dukkha is still active till pari nirwana

Emios · Jul 4, 2026

ek_rosh said:
you DONT cut fuel to fire because fire is BAD.
you STOP clinging to fire coz it BRUNS you.
once you STOP CLINGING, the fire doesnt get fuel no more..

either way,the fire is not an issue to you. in your context you could live forever because it is not an issue.You cannot call it not a issue!

ek_rosh · Jul 4, 2026

nipund said:
IMHO this is not correct dukkha-dukkha and Sankara dukkha is still active till pari nirwana

painful feeling is not a suffering anymore....sankara dukka (nature) is not suffering either...

once clinging is gone...no more suffering...nothing more to do..

Emios said:
either way,the fire is not an issue to you. in your context you could live forever because it is not an issue.You cannot call it not a issue!

there is no such thing as living forever, once the fuel is cut fire will stop by itself even if somone wanted or not
------ Post added on Jul 4, 2026 at 10:43 PM

Emios · Jul 4, 2026

ek_rosh said:
painful feeling is not a suffering anymore....sankara dukka (nature) is not suffering anymore either...

once clinging is gone...no more suffering...nothing more to do..

there is no such thing as living forever, once the fuel is cut fire will stop by itself even if somone wanted or not
------ Post added on Jul 4, 2026 at 10:43 PM

you still cannot grasp it,in your context painful feeling is never is/was an issue even if last for eternity.it is because of there is a end you say these not an issue thing,why did you cut fuel to fire anyway

ek_rosh · Jul 4, 2026

Emios said:
you still cannot grasp it,in your context painful feeling is never is/was an issue even if last for eternity.it is because of there is a end you say these not an issue thing,why did you cut fuel to fire anyway

I DIDNT say the painful feeling was a NEVER issue. painful feeling is an issue when there is clinging to it coz it cause suffering..

painful feeling doesnt make NO suffering when there is no clinging..

Emios · Jul 4, 2026

ek_rosh said:
I DIDNT say the painful feeling was a NEVER issue. painful feeling is an issue when there is clinging to it coz it cause suffering..

painful feeling doesnt make NO suffering when there is no clinging..

what??any rahat would suffer of a body pain.cling or not.I heard some even bella karapagannawa. i seriously cannot agree with you,oainful feeling is an issue cligning or not and it should end

nipund · Jul 4, 2026

ek_rosh said:
painful feeling is not a suffering anymore....sankara dukka (nature) is not suffering either...

once clinging is gone...no more suffering...nothing more to do..

dukkha is still there . suffering is part of dukkha not all of dukkha

ek_rosh · Jul 4, 2026

Emios said:
what??any rahat would suffer of a body pain.cling or not.I heard some even bella karapagannawa. i seriously cannot agree with you,oainful feeling is an issue cligning or not and it should end

nipund said:
dukkha is still there . suffering is part of dukkha not all of dukkha

you guys are talking about dukka-vedana... not dukka-dukka

dukka-dukka the suffering created on based on dukka-vedana when clinging present

no more dukka-dukka after enlightenment.

Emios · Jul 4, 2026

ek_rosh said:
you guys are talking about dukka-vedana... not dukka-dukka

dukka-dukka the suffering created on based on dukka-vedana when clinging present

no more dukka-dukka after enlightenment.

i was taking about vedana too.in your case it is not an issue,was never an issue

ek_rosh · Jul 4, 2026

Emios said:
i was taking about vedana too.in your case it is not an issue,was never an issue

dont make things up.. I didnt say it was NEVER an issue.. (it is an issue when clinging precent)

dukka-vedana is a chaitasika in the nama rupa process.. when there is clinging here is an owner to it and suffer becuase of that,.

once realized, there is NO clinign and owner to claim it. it is just a part of nama-rupa process where no one exists and suffered..

Emios · Jul 4, 2026

ek_rosh said:
dont make things up.. I didnt say i was NEVER an issue..

dukka-vedana is a chaitasika in the nama rupa process.. when there is clinging here is a owner to it and suffer becuase of that,.

once realized, there is clinign and owner to claim it. it is just a part of nama-rupa process where no one exists and suffered..

you said rupaya is not an issue.only the clinging is the problem,if then goes to all vedana,sanchya,vinyana no issues. only the clinging is the issue.if those never ended not an issue. the whole dharmaskada is about ending these.and you says no issue.

not clinging stops the fuel,doesnt make all the others was not an issue.the very fact to uncling is to end it.

ek_rosh · Jul 4, 2026

Emios said:
you said rupaya is not an issue.only the clinging is the problem,if then goes to all vedana,sanchya,vinyana no issues. only the clinging is the issue.if those never ended not an issue. the whole dharmaskada is about ending these.and you says no issue.

not clinging stops the fuel,doesnt make all the others was not an issue.the very fact to uncling is to end it.

i didnt say rupa is not an issue... it is an issue but not the way you think..

the pit on the ground is not an issue by its nature...
it is an issue when people start walking in that area and start falling...

Emios · Jul 4, 2026

ek_rosh said:
i didnt say rupa is not an issue... it is an issue but not the way you think..

the pit on the ground is not an issue by its nature...
it is an issue when people start walking in that area and start falling...

pancha upadanaskanda mara,how do you say not an issue by nature.anyhow i cant read your mind.but this is never ending.lets keep it at this

ek_rosh · Jul 4, 2026

Emios said:
how do you say not an issue by nature

i told you how i see the issue...not the way you see..

there was a sutta budda says...if rupa/eye were the problem there is no way to enlightened and be free.. let me see if i can find it..

Emios · Jul 4, 2026

ek_rosh said:
i told you how i see the issue...not the way you see..

i gave you a projector anology,that's the way i see,lets stop at this.

ek_rosh · Jul 4, 2026

Emios said:
i gave you a projector anology,that's the way i see,lets stop at this.

projector example is great.. but you dont see it correct way.. thats why you cant answer the question i asked

Emios · Jul 4, 2026

ek_rosh said:
projector example is great.. but you dont see it correct way.. thats why you cant answer the question i asked

i answered.i didnt get that example what you are showing at once,because im looking at it in this projector view.its fine lets stop at this.

ek_rosh · Jul 5, 2026

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(භාග්‍යවතුන් වහන්සේ මෙසේ වදාළසේක“ඇදගන්නාවූ රූප, ශබ්ද, ගන්‍ධ, රස හා කය හැපෙන දේ යන පස්කම් කෙනෙක් වෙද්ද, එහි ඇල්ම පහව ගියේය. මාරය තෝ නැසුනෙහිය.”

There are attractive rupas, shabdas, etc...

ONCE the clinging is done, mara you are dead...

does he say he did something to rupas? rupa dead?

he clearly says; ONCE clinging is dead Mara is dead..

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