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<blockquote data-quote="topkollek" data-source="post: 31282895" data-attributes="member: 510150"><p><strong>We can precisely quantify the bias introduced by the second preference count</strong> on <strong>Condorcet’s Jury Theorem</strong> (and therefore on the Law of Large Numbers guarantee that the majority picks the “best” candidate with probability → 1).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Here are the <strong>official numbers</strong> (Election Commission + Wikipedia consensus):</p><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">First-preference total: 13,319,616 valid votes</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Final decisive jury (second count): <strong>n = 10,271,081</strong> (only <strong>77.11%</strong> of the electorate)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Exhausted ballots: <strong>3,048,535</strong> (22.89%)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Usable transfers from eliminated candidates: <strong>273,131</strong> votes only (just <strong>2.66%</strong> of the final jury)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Of those transfers: Sajith received <strong>61.5%</strong> (≈168,000), Anura <strong>38.5%</strong> (≈105,000)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Anura’s final share: <strong>55.8868%</strong> (5,740,179 votes)</li> </ul><p></p><h3>Quantified Bias Components</h3><p></p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><th>Bias Type</th><th>Exact Impact</th><th>Effect on Theorem (Condorcet + LLN)</th></tr><tr><td>Jury size reduction</td><td>n reduced by <strong>22.89%</strong> (13.32M → 10.27M)</td><td>Convergence slower by factor 0.771 in the exponent of error probability. Still irrelevant at this scale.</td></tr><tr><td>Directional transfer bias</td><td>Sajith got 61.5% of transfers → <strong>0.30 percentage-point drag</strong> against Anura (final 55.89% vs hypothetical 56.19% if transfers split 50-50)</td><td>Slightly lowers effective voter competence <em>p</em> by ~0.3 pp.</td></tr><tr><td>Selection / filtering bias</td><td>Only engaged voters who ranked a top-two candidate participate; exhausted are disproportionately low-engagement third-party supporters</td><td>Mild heterogeneous <em>p</em> (core voters likely higher competence). Non-random jury.</td></tr><tr><td>Overall net bias</td><td>~0.3–0.5 pp downward shift in observed proportion + 23% smaller jury</td><td>Weakens the “P(correct) → 1” guarantee <strong>marginally</strong></td></tr></table><p></p><p></p><p></p><h3>Impact on Probability of “Wrong” Winner (Scenarios)</h3><p></p><p>We use the normal approximation to the binomial (extremely accurate at n > 10 million). Assume Anura was the “objectively best” candidate; we calculate P(majority picks wrong) under different bias assumptions.</p><p></p><p></p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><th>Scenario</th><th>Effective p (Anura competence)</th><th>z-score vs 50%</th><th>P(majority wrong)</th><th>How much worse than ideal?</th></tr><tr><td>Ideal Condorcet (no bias, full n, p=0.5589)</td><td>0.5589</td><td>377.3</td><td>≈ 0 (<< 10⁻³⁰⁰)</td><td>Baseline</td></tr><tr><td>Observed (real second count)</td><td>0.5589</td><td>377.3</td><td>≈ 0 (<< 10⁻³⁰⁰)</td><td>Identical</td></tr><tr><td>Core supporters only (no transfers)</td><td>0.5636</td><td>402</td><td>Even smaller</td><td>Actually <strong>stronger</strong></td></tr><tr><td>Pessimistic: transfers were pure coin-flips (p=0.50)</td><td>≈0.557</td><td>360</td><td>Still ≈ 0 (<< 10⁻²⁸⁰)</td><td>Negligible degradation</td></tr><tr><td>Extreme: transferred voters had p=0.51 only</td><td>≈0.556</td><td>355</td><td>Still ≈ 0</td><td>Tiny</td></tr></table><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Even in the worst plausible case (transferred voters barely better than random), the probability of the “wrong” winner remains astronomically smaller than 1 in 10²⁵⁰. You would need a <strong>~8–10 percentage-point systematic bias</strong> in the transferred group (or exhaustion overwhelmingly one-sided) to start making the outcome uncertain — far beyond what actually occurred.</p><p></p><p></p><h3>Mathematical Intuition (Chernoff/Hoeffding bound)</h3><p></p><p>The theorem’s error probability decays exponentially:</p><p></p><p></p><p>P(wrong)≤2exp(−2n(p^−0.5)2)P(\text{wrong}) \leq 2 \exp(-2 n (\hat{p} - 0.5)^2)P(wrong)≤2exp(−2n(p^−0.5)2)</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">With full n and observed p^ \hat{p} p^: exponent ≈ –69,400</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">With 23% smaller jury + 0.3 pp drag: exponent ≈ –53,400 Both give numbers so small they are zero for any practical purpose (smaller than the chance of a proton decaying in the next 10²⁰⁰ years).</li> </ul><p></p><p><strong>Bottom line</strong> The second preference count <strong>does introduce measurable bias</strong> (mainly 23% jury shrinkage + 0.3 pp directional drag against Anura), but its impact on Condorcet’s Jury Theorem is <strong>tiny</strong> in practice. The Law of Large Numbers with over 10 million voters completely overwhelms the bias.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The guarantee that “the majority picked the best of the two finalists with near-certainty” remains essentially intact — the probability of error is still effectively zero under any reasonable model of voter competence.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sri Lanka’s 2024 result is still one of the cleanest real-world demonstrations of the theorem at massive scale. The bias exists mathematically, but it is negligible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="topkollek, post: 31282895, member: 510150"] [B]We can precisely quantify the bias introduced by the second preference count[/B] on [B]Condorcet’s Jury Theorem[/B] (and therefore on the Law of Large Numbers guarantee that the majority picks the “best” candidate with probability → 1). Here are the [B]official numbers[/B] (Election Commission + Wikipedia consensus): [LIST] [*]First-preference total: 13,319,616 valid votes [*]Final decisive jury (second count): [B]n = 10,271,081[/B] (only [B]77.11%[/B] of the electorate) [*]Exhausted ballots: [B]3,048,535[/B] (22.89%) [*]Usable transfers from eliminated candidates: [B]273,131[/B] votes only (just [B]2.66%[/B] of the final jury) [*]Of those transfers: Sajith received [B]61.5%[/B] (≈168,000), Anura [B]38.5%[/B] (≈105,000) [*]Anura’s final share: [B]55.8868%[/B] (5,740,179 votes) [/LIST] [HEADING=2]Quantified Bias Components[/HEADING] [TABLE] [TR] [TH]Bias Type[/TH] [TH]Exact Impact[/TH] [TH]Effect on Theorem (Condorcet + LLN)[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Jury size reduction[/TD] [TD]n reduced by [B]22.89%[/B] (13.32M → 10.27M)[/TD] [TD]Convergence slower by factor 0.771 in the exponent of error probability. Still irrelevant at this scale.[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Directional transfer bias[/TD] [TD]Sajith got 61.5% of transfers → [B]0.30 percentage-point drag[/B] against Anura (final 55.89% vs hypothetical 56.19% if transfers split 50-50)[/TD] [TD]Slightly lowers effective voter competence [I]p[/I] by ~0.3 pp.[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Selection / filtering bias[/TD] [TD]Only engaged voters who ranked a top-two candidate participate; exhausted are disproportionately low-engagement third-party supporters[/TD] [TD]Mild heterogeneous [I]p[/I] (core voters likely higher competence). Non-random jury.[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Overall net bias[/TD] [TD]~0.3–0.5 pp downward shift in observed proportion + 23% smaller jury[/TD] [TD]Weakens the “P(correct) → 1” guarantee [B]marginally[/B][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [HEADING=2]Impact on Probability of “Wrong” Winner (Scenarios)[/HEADING] We use the normal approximation to the binomial (extremely accurate at n > 10 million). Assume Anura was the “objectively best” candidate; we calculate P(majority picks wrong) under different bias assumptions. [TABLE] [TR] [TH]Scenario[/TH] [TH]Effective p (Anura competence)[/TH] [TH]z-score vs 50%[/TH] [TH]P(majority wrong)[/TH] [TH]How much worse than ideal?[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Ideal Condorcet (no bias, full n, p=0.5589)[/TD] [TD]0.5589[/TD] [TD]377.3[/TD] [TD]≈ 0 (<< 10⁻³⁰⁰)[/TD] [TD]Baseline[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Observed (real second count)[/TD] [TD]0.5589[/TD] [TD]377.3[/TD] [TD]≈ 0 (<< 10⁻³⁰⁰)[/TD] [TD]Identical[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Core supporters only (no transfers)[/TD] [TD]0.5636[/TD] [TD]402[/TD] [TD]Even smaller[/TD] [TD]Actually [B]stronger[/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Pessimistic: transfers were pure coin-flips (p=0.50)[/TD] [TD]≈0.557[/TD] [TD]360[/TD] [TD]Still ≈ 0 (<< 10⁻²⁸⁰)[/TD] [TD]Negligible degradation[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Extreme: transferred voters had p=0.51 only[/TD] [TD]≈0.556[/TD] [TD]355[/TD] [TD]Still ≈ 0[/TD] [TD]Tiny[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Even in the worst plausible case (transferred voters barely better than random), the probability of the “wrong” winner remains astronomically smaller than 1 in 10²⁵⁰. You would need a [B]~8–10 percentage-point systematic bias[/B] in the transferred group (or exhaustion overwhelmingly one-sided) to start making the outcome uncertain — far beyond what actually occurred. [HEADING=2]Mathematical Intuition (Chernoff/Hoeffding bound)[/HEADING] The theorem’s error probability decays exponentially: P(wrong)≤2exp(−2n(p^−0.5)2)P(\text{wrong}) \leq 2 \exp(-2 n (\hat{p} - 0.5)^2)P(wrong)≤2exp(−2n(p^−0.5)2) [LIST] [*]With full n and observed p^ \hat{p} p^: exponent ≈ –69,400 [*]With 23% smaller jury + 0.3 pp drag: exponent ≈ –53,400 Both give numbers so small they are zero for any practical purpose (smaller than the chance of a proton decaying in the next 10²⁰⁰ years). [/LIST] [B]Bottom line[/B] The second preference count [B]does introduce measurable bias[/B] (mainly 23% jury shrinkage + 0.3 pp directional drag against Anura), but its impact on Condorcet’s Jury Theorem is [B]tiny[/B] in practice. The Law of Large Numbers with over 10 million voters completely overwhelms the bias. The guarantee that “the majority picked the best of the two finalists with near-certainty” remains essentially intact — the probability of error is still effectively zero under any reasonable model of voter competence. Sri Lanka’s 2024 result is still one of the cleanest real-world demonstrations of the theorem at massive scale. The bias exists mathematically, but it is negligible. [/QUOTE]
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