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<blockquote data-quote="anamnlmslmn" data-source="post: 14613745" data-attributes="member: 453369"><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong><span style="color: Red">Who said Judgement Day is a wonderful day? You're displaying your ignorance very well!</span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong><span style="color: Red"></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Purple">I have seen this before. You're asking for trouble... <span style="color: Red"><strong>Why didn't you put the complete thing???</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">[[‘There comes a time, Vasetha, when, sooner or later after a long period this world contracts. At a time of contraction, beings are mostly born in the Abhasara Brahma world. And there they dwell, mind-made, feeding on delight, self luminous, moving through the air, glorious—and they stay like that for a very long time. But sooner or later, after a very long period, this world begins to expand again. At a time of expansion, the beings from the Abhasara Brahma world, having passed away from there, are mostly reborn in this world. Here they dwell, mind-made, feeding on delight, self-luminous, moving through the air, glorious— and they stay like that for a very long time. At that period, Vasetha, there was just one mass of water, and all was darkness, blinding darkness. Neither moon nor sun appeared, no constellations or stars appeared, night and day were not yet distinguished, nor months and fortnights, nor years and seasons; there was no male and female, beings being reckoned just as beings. And sooner or later, after a very long period of time, savory earth spread itself over the waters where those beings were. It looked just like the skin that forms itself over hot milk as it cools. It was endowed with color, smell, and taste. It was the color of fine ghee or butter and it was very sweet, like pure wild honey.']]</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"><strong>It's talking about "worlds". You have to somehow make it the "universe". Because earth is not expanding i suppose..</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"><strong></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"><strong>You have to solve the problem of brahma worlds.. Do you believe in them? (see below)</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"><strong></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"><strong>Moving through the "air" -- so then who were flying in the brahma/this worlds. Are they Souls? Do you believe that?</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Purple">Now come to the part you missed...</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">[["At that period, Vasetha, there was just one mass of water, and all was darkness, blinding darkness. Neither moon nor sun appeared, no constellations or stars appeared, night and day were not yet distinguished, nor months and fortnights, nor years and seasons;"]]</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">So <strong>only mass of water...</strong> No stars,sun,moons etc.. OK. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">So the <strong>"earth" began to form before other things..</strong> OR is it the expanded whole universe was filled with water? Night, day, months, years, seasons are not relevant to a universe in general... So the<strong> "world" must be about the earth.. Agree?</strong> (see next one also).</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">[[" savory earth spread itself over the waters where those beings were. It looked just like the skin that forms itself over hot milk as it cools."]]</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">So, then earth spread over the water... You have a real problem here. If you interpret earlier "world" as universe, here also it has to be universe. Isn't it? You can't have as well as eat the cake, no? Then, <strong>what was expanding earlier? This earth or the universe???</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">[[" It was endowed with color, smell, and taste. It was the color of fine ghee or butter and it was very sweet, like pure wild honey."]] <span style="color: DarkGreen"> Hmm.. Looks tasty..</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Blue">There are some other things from this article..</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_evolution" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_evolution</a></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">[[Anagarika Dharmapala once stated that "the theory of evolution was one of the ancient teachings of the Buddha."[4]]]</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">** Well, theory of evolution (darwinism) is a "dead" body kept preserved by "blind" scientists. I don't think you agree with that....</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Red"><u>About your other "Worlds".. </u> You have to believe a lot!! Must read this article..</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_cosmology" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_cosmology</a></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Purple">About above said Abhasara world...</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">[[<strong><u>Ābhāsvara worlds</u></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">The mental state of the devas of the Ābhāsvara worlds corresponds to the second dhyāna, and is characterized by delight (prīti) as well as joy (sukha); the Ābhāsvara devas are said to shout aloud in their joy, crying aho sukham! ("Oh joy!"). These devas have bodies that emit flashing rays of light like lightning. They are said to have similar bodies (to each other) but diverse perceptions.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">The Ābhāsvara worlds form the <span style="color: Red">upper limit to the destruction of the universe</span> by fire at the end of a mahākalpa (see Temporal cosmology below), that is, the <span style="color: Red">column of fire does not rise high enough to reach them</span>. After the destruction of the world, at the beginning of the vivartakalpa, the worlds are first populated by beings reborn from the Ābhāsvara worlds.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"> • Ābhāsvara or Ābhassara (Tib: 'od gsal) – The world of devas "possessing splendor". The lifespan of the Ābhāsvara devas is 8 mahākalpas (others: 2 mahākalpas). Eight mahākalpas is the interval between destructions of the universe by water, which includes the Ābhāsvara worlds. The height of this world is 81,920 yojanas above the Earth.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"> • Apramāṇābha or Appamāṇābha (Tib: tshad med 'od) – The world of devas of "limitless light", a concept on which they meditate. Their lifespan is 4 mahākalpas. The height of this world is 40,960 yojanas above the Earth.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"> • Parīttābha or Parittābha (Tib: 'od chung) – The world of devas of "limited light". Their lifespan is 2 mahākalpas. The height of this world is 20,480 yojanas above the Earth.]]</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Purple">LOTS of worlds... Any way.. About this "universe" getting destroyed by fire, or water...</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">[["The destruction by fire is the normal type of destruction that occurs at the end of the Saṃvartakalpa. But every eighth mahākalpa, after seven destructions by fire, there is a destruction by water. This is more devastating, as it eliminates not just the Brahma worlds but also the Ābhāsvara worlds.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Every sixty-fourth mahākalpa, after 56 destructions by fire and 7 destructions by water, there is a destruction by wind. This is the most devastating of all, as it also destroys the Śubhakṛtsna worlds. The higher worlds are never destroyed."]]</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">Well... Fire, water and wind in the universe destroying the worlds... Science might find these things later.. Patience....</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">(I see this "cycle" thing in everywhere in your religion..)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">[["The Ābhāsvara worlds form the upper limit to the destruction of the universe by fire at the end of a mahākalpa (see Temporal cosmology below), that is, the column of fire does not rise high enough to reach them. After the destruction of the world, at the beginning of the vivartakalpa, the worlds are first populated by beings reborn from the Ābhāsvara worlds."]]</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Red">According to this, the <strong>previously said "expanding world" is not the universe</strong>, no? Do you agree?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">CAN YOU EXPLAIN MORE... IN THE LIGHT OF SCIENCE IF POSSIBLE..</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Threre are many many questions regarding this article.. But no need to complicate things at the moment..</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="anamnlmslmn, post: 14613745, member: 453369"] [SIZE="4"] [B][COLOR="Red"]Who said Judgement Day is a wonderful day? You're displaying your ignorance very well! [/COLOR][/B] [COLOR="Purple"]I have seen this before. You're asking for trouble... [COLOR="Red"][B]Why didn't you put the complete thing???[/B][/COLOR][/COLOR] [[‘There comes a time, Vasetha, when, sooner or later after a long period this world contracts. At a time of contraction, beings are mostly born in the Abhasara Brahma world. And there they dwell, mind-made, feeding on delight, self luminous, moving through the air, glorious—and they stay like that for a very long time. But sooner or later, after a very long period, this world begins to expand again. At a time of expansion, the beings from the Abhasara Brahma world, having passed away from there, are mostly reborn in this world. Here they dwell, mind-made, feeding on delight, self-luminous, moving through the air, glorious— and they stay like that for a very long time. At that period, Vasetha, there was just one mass of water, and all was darkness, blinding darkness. Neither moon nor sun appeared, no constellations or stars appeared, night and day were not yet distinguished, nor months and fortnights, nor years and seasons; there was no male and female, beings being reckoned just as beings. And sooner or later, after a very long period of time, savory earth spread itself over the waters where those beings were. It looked just like the skin that forms itself over hot milk as it cools. It was endowed with color, smell, and taste. It was the color of fine ghee or butter and it was very sweet, like pure wild honey.']] [COLOR="DarkGreen"][B]It's talking about "worlds". You have to somehow make it the "universe". Because earth is not expanding i suppose.. You have to solve the problem of brahma worlds.. Do you believe in them? (see below) Moving through the "air" -- so then who were flying in the brahma/this worlds. Are they Souls? Do you believe that?[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR="Purple"]Now come to the part you missed...[/COLOR] [["At that period, Vasetha, there was just one mass of water, and all was darkness, blinding darkness. Neither moon nor sun appeared, no constellations or stars appeared, night and day were not yet distinguished, nor months and fortnights, nor years and seasons;"]] [COLOR="DarkGreen"]So [B]only mass of water...[/B] No stars,sun,moons etc.. OK. So the [B]"earth" began to form before other things..[/B] OR is it the expanded whole universe was filled with water? Night, day, months, years, seasons are not relevant to a universe in general... So the[B] "world" must be about the earth.. Agree?[/B] (see next one also).[/COLOR] [[" savory earth spread itself over the waters where those beings were. It looked just like the skin that forms itself over hot milk as it cools."]] [COLOR="DarkGreen"]So, then earth spread over the water... You have a real problem here. If you interpret earlier "world" as universe, here also it has to be universe. Isn't it? You can't have as well as eat the cake, no? Then, [B]what was expanding earlier? This earth or the universe???[/B][/COLOR] [[" It was endowed with color, smell, and taste. It was the color of fine ghee or butter and it was very sweet, like pure wild honey."]] [COLOR="DarkGreen"] Hmm.. Looks tasty..[/COLOR] [COLOR="Blue"]There are some other things from this article..[/COLOR] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_evolution[/url] [[Anagarika Dharmapala once stated that "the theory of evolution was one of the ancient teachings of the Buddha."[4]]] [COLOR="DarkGreen"]** Well, theory of evolution (darwinism) is a "dead" body kept preserved by "blind" scientists. I don't think you agree with that.... [/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"][U]About your other "Worlds".. [/U] You have to believe a lot!! Must read this article..[/COLOR] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_cosmology[/url] [COLOR="Purple"]About above said Abhasara world...[/COLOR] [[[B][U]Ābhāsvara worlds[/U][/B] The mental state of the devas of the Ābhāsvara worlds corresponds to the second dhyāna, and is characterized by delight (prīti) as well as joy (sukha); the Ābhāsvara devas are said to shout aloud in their joy, crying aho sukham! ("Oh joy!"). These devas have bodies that emit flashing rays of light like lightning. They are said to have similar bodies (to each other) but diverse perceptions. The Ābhāsvara worlds form the [COLOR="Red"]upper limit to the destruction of the universe[/COLOR] by fire at the end of a mahākalpa (see Temporal cosmology below), that is, the [COLOR="Red"]column of fire does not rise high enough to reach them[/COLOR]. After the destruction of the world, at the beginning of the vivartakalpa, the worlds are first populated by beings reborn from the Ābhāsvara worlds. • Ābhāsvara or Ābhassara (Tib: 'od gsal) – The world of devas "possessing splendor". The lifespan of the Ābhāsvara devas is 8 mahākalpas (others: 2 mahākalpas). Eight mahākalpas is the interval between destructions of the universe by water, which includes the Ābhāsvara worlds. The height of this world is 81,920 yojanas above the Earth. • Apramāṇābha or Appamāṇābha (Tib: tshad med 'od) – The world of devas of "limitless light", a concept on which they meditate. Their lifespan is 4 mahākalpas. The height of this world is 40,960 yojanas above the Earth. • Parīttābha or Parittābha (Tib: 'od chung) – The world of devas of "limited light". Their lifespan is 2 mahākalpas. The height of this world is 20,480 yojanas above the Earth.]] [COLOR="Purple"]LOTS of worlds... Any way.. About this "universe" getting destroyed by fire, or water...[/COLOR] [["The destruction by fire is the normal type of destruction that occurs at the end of the Saṃvartakalpa. But every eighth mahākalpa, after seven destructions by fire, there is a destruction by water. This is more devastating, as it eliminates not just the Brahma worlds but also the Ābhāsvara worlds. Every sixty-fourth mahākalpa, after 56 destructions by fire and 7 destructions by water, there is a destruction by wind. This is the most devastating of all, as it also destroys the Śubhakṛtsna worlds. The higher worlds are never destroyed."]] [COLOR="DarkGreen"]Well... Fire, water and wind in the universe destroying the worlds... Science might find these things later.. Patience.... (I see this "cycle" thing in everywhere in your religion..)[/COLOR] [["The Ābhāsvara worlds form the upper limit to the destruction of the universe by fire at the end of a mahākalpa (see Temporal cosmology below), that is, the column of fire does not rise high enough to reach them. After the destruction of the world, at the beginning of the vivartakalpa, the worlds are first populated by beings reborn from the Ābhāsvara worlds."]] [COLOR="Red"]According to this, the [B]previously said "expanding world" is not the universe[/B], no? Do you agree?[/COLOR] CAN YOU EXPLAIN MORE... IN THE LIGHT OF SCIENCE IF POSSIBLE.. Threre are many many questions regarding this article.. But no need to complicate things at the moment.. [/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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