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Message: <blockquote data-quote="huakbar" data-source="post: 14682671" data-attributes="member: 465708">Qur'an mentions that the universe originated from a 'gaseous material'.            [FUSSILAT 41:11]    Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the    earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient.      Muslim    fundamentalists, by pointing out the above verse, claim that the Qur'an    miraculously foretells that origin of universe began with the gaseous mater.   They try to confuse the common people that it is the great and surest sign    that the Qur'an is a book of God.  Richard Carrier has already refuted this    claim in detail in his article,       <a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/islam.html" target="_blank">   Cosmology and the Koran: A Response to Muslim Fundamentalists</a>    Lets    study some of his findings once again in this regard:       First      of    all, the universe did not begin as a gas or any gaseous material. From current    Big Bang theory we know, the universe began before any matter of any kind    existed--it began as pure energy. It took several moments for any matter to    form, and then it was a plasma, not a gas. Gases only came    later, after the plasma cooled, and yet gasses were still not the only    constituent--much of the mass-energy at even that point, as before, was    comprised of electromagnetic radiation--light. The fact that the Qur’an fails    to mention any of this or any other crucial scientific information is    precisely why its claim to "scientific accuracy" is to be dismissed. It is    making vague metaphysical statements, and that is not science [<a href="http://mukto-mona.net/Articles/avijit/Quran_miracle.htm#7" target="_blank">7</a>]            Secondly,    Even, for the shake of arguments, if we take "gaseous material" as plasma,    then also the problem remains unsolved. The main problem is that the    above-mentioned verse actually does not say about any  "gaseous    material," which Islamic scholars are continuously claiming.  The Arabic word    used in this verse  is dukhan, -  "smoke"  [<a href="http://www.humanists.net/avijit/article/#[7]" target="_blank">7</a>]. Trying    to relate smoke with gaseous material is nothing but a hide and seek wordy    games played by Islamic scholars. Moreover, Smoke is made of ash,    predominantly carbon, and is produced from burning (oxidation), not plasma    condensation. Smoke looks nothing like heated hydrogen or helium, does not    share its elemental mass or other properties, and does not even possess many    of the general properties of a gas. Thus, Allah chose the wrong word. He could    have used "hot gases" or "hot gases expanding in a vacuum" or anything which    is much closer to the truth.  If we critically examine this verse, it becomes    very clear to us that this verse is far from being scientific to define    initial condition of the universe, that verse is really hoax.        Thirdly, Let's check the chronological order of the above verse    from Qur’an.       From    verse    <a href="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/041.qmt.html#041.009" target="_blank">   41:9</a> we find that that the earth is made "in two days," and this is the    first two days in the list. After the creation of earth, Allah  describes the    next two days of creation, completing the first "four days equal," in which    mountains and plants are made in verse    <a href="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/041.qmt.html#041.010" target="_blank">   41:10</a>. Thus, we find a gradual order of the Qur'anic creation ie. Allah first    created the earth and then filled the earth with mountains and plants (It is    quite understandable that mountains and plants could not be made before the    earth was made, thus 41:10 follows 41:9 in a quite reasonable order).  But    then we see that verse   <a href="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/041.qmt.html#041.011" target="_blank">   41:11</a> establishes an undeniable context in which the universe exists as    smoke at the same time that the earth already exists, since God    "rose over towards the heaven when it was smoke" and spoke to it and to the    earth, therefore no Muslim can rationally deny that this verse clearly says    the earth existed at the same time as the smoke which is totally irrational    and absurd.      Thus    the verse mentioned above which is claimed to be a "perfect analogy"    describing the initial condition of the universe is nothing but a clever    deception. </blockquote>

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