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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ek_rosh" data-source="post: 31487381" data-attributes="member: 507164">experience is not a place/person/thing. I dont see if there is a NEED or not NEED of a parinibbana...Fueling the 5skanda fire is stopped at arihat stage and the fire still continues till the remaining oil is burnt and sets off.It happens not becuase someone needs it, someone suffers or someone wants an escape... it is a completely natural process.the experience is formed by vipaka , not by kamma..the experience itself creates new kammas which will be vipakas of a new experience IMOarihat-experience = vipaka + kriya (no sankara/volition)prutakjana-experience = vipaka + klesha/defilement + javanaskamma-yoni = klesha/defilement + javanassorry, but dont get your point. concepts are baseless, is that what are you trying to show? or something else?</blockquote>

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