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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ex-muslim Ahmed" data-source="post: 24071929" data-attributes="member: 179431"><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed">Rupa rupa for example arise becos of </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed">1. a color pattern</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed">2. eye</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed">3. mind ( Vinnana) Agree?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed">So What is Asthangama-<strong><span style="color: Navy">(this should not be confused with decaying)</span></strong>non Arising of Rupa??</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed">either losing 1, color pattern</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed">2. taking eye away.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed">3 and most importantly  taking mind away. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed">So the idea in Anicca Sanna is to train your mind to see the Asthangamaya or Nirodhaya. <span style="color: DarkRed"><strong>Why you cannot see nirodhaya? becos of Nichcha Sanna, A vipallasa, A distorted view of layman.</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed"><strong><span style="color: Navy"><span style="color: DarkRed">Here The learned Shravaka  meditate that </span></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed"><strong><span style="color: Navy"><span style="color: DarkRed">1. There is a pattern a image, a rupa</span> ඉති රූපං - රූපය මෙයයි</span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed"><strong><span style="color: Navy"></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed"><strong><span style="color: Navy">2. <span style="color: darkred">How it Arise? it Arise when Eye, color pattern and Mind come together.</span></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed"><strong><span style="color: Navy"><span style="color: darkred">here the learned shravaka emphasizes that for rupa to arise that "Nimithi" of Mind should apply with 1 and 2. That is why a dead body does not see.</span> ඉති රූපස්ස සමුදයෝ - රූපයේ සමුදය මෙයයි</span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed"><strong><span style="color: Navy"></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed"><strong><span style="color: Navy">3. <span style="color: darkred">How it non-arise (Nirodha) When one take mind away it non arise. When the "nimithi" of mind does not apply the rupa cease to exist.</span> ඉති රූපස්ස අත්තන්ගමෝ - රූපයේ නිරෝධය මෙයයි (හට නොගැනීම )</span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>

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