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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ek_rosh" data-source="post: 31499826" data-attributes="member: 507164">yup, read it. it will unlock many keys in this puzzle that suttas have hard time interpreting.paticca sampuadaya is not the same as 5 skandas... nor the live experience itself, it is a part of it where clinging does occur.in live experience as i said eye-door viti has no anusahaya, roots, nothing... 2nd viti the mental object is constructed with anushaya at santeerna/vottapana.. clinging happens at the next step at the in javanas...this clining process is the paticcasampuadaya (only happens inside the javana)for ex.santiirna adds gas to the process and vottapana sets the burners and explosion happens in the javana. paticca samupadaya explains how the explosion happens.. once the explosion happens sakandas are clung and hence called upadanaskandas...ps--- i believe the order may be wrong.. santeerna and vottapana are only in eye-door not in mind door. so mental construction is done in javanas ...  process is the same, but location could be mixed here and there...manasikara happens after the mental construction..</blockquote>

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