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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ek_rosh" data-source="post: 31462195" data-attributes="member: 507164">goto damma sangani - 1st book of abhidamma...it explains all the paramattas - cittas, chaitasikas... it doesnt have a nice list...vinhanga has more connection of them. you can find themsure, take dukka-succadukka succa = panchaupadhana skandha = 5 skandas that can be clung towhy 5 skandas dukka? coz, they are anicca dukka anatta... (nature of ultimate dhammas)so not knowing ultimate dhammas as ultimate dhammas = not knowinf dukka succathey all are connected buddy...not matter where you start..they all goes to 3-marks.not sure what you mean..atomic state is an example...dont take it as the reality prutakjana ditti is the opposite of above... they dont see the 3-marks hence they take conventional as ultimate.<hr />It's not you dont wanna do during the jhanna...you cant do during jhana..coz the mind object is locked to single thing and cant see the changealthough both kamavachara.. mental factors are very differentfrom jhana:hindrance - almost 0ekkagata - strongsati - continuouspanna - sharpstability - highyou are basically ready and waiting to capturewhile listening to bana:hinderence - high (no matter how you practice to eliminate)ekagga - weaksati - discontinuoussability - weakpanna - dullwhile listening to bana..you are searching for the meanings/logics...your mind is rapidly changing and not stable.. not getting yoniso...good luck if you can replicate the jhanna effect.------ Post added on [DATETIME="UT"]1781563436[/DATETIME]</blockquote>

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