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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sirajstc" data-source="post: 5629618" data-attributes="member: 91140">7- Jesus’ believers did NOT believe he was God neither One of the greatest Christian myths is that Jesus’ followers believed he was God. However so, this is not true, the Bible says otherwise: MatthewChapter 1613-14 13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophetsSo as we can see, the believers out of the population did not take Jesus as God, they took him for a great man, such as John the Baptist, or Elias, or some others. None of them said he is God. Now let us read on and see what his own disciples took him for: 15-20 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.So note, now Jesus asks his disciples about what they take him to be for, they respond by saying he is the SON OF GOD, Jesus agrees with them and tells them tell no man I am the Christ. So note, Jesus’ disciples do not say you are God, Jesus himself does not say he is God. Now both the son of God and the term Christ do not mean God. They never have, and never will. The term Christ means Messiah, the definition of Messiah is not God, and the Jews who were awaiting their Messiah did not believe the Messiah would be God: The predominant Jewish understanding of moshiach ("the messiah") is based on the writings of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides" target="_blank">Maimonides</a>, (the Rambam). His views on the messiah are discussed in his <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mishneh_Torah" target="_blank">Mishneh Torah</a>, his 14 volume compendium of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halakha" target="_blank">Jewish law</a>, in the section Hilkhot Melakhim Umilchamoteihem, chapter 11. Maimonides writes:"The anointed King ("HaMelekh HaMoshiach") is destined to stand up and restore the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davidic_line" target="_blank">Davidic Kingdom </a>to its antiquity, to the first sovereignty. He will build the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_in_Jerusalem" target="_blank">Temple in Jerusalem </a>and gather the strayed ones of Israel together. All laws will return in his days as they were before: Sacrificial offerings are offered and the Sabbatical years and Jubilees are kept, according to all its precepts that are mentioned in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah" target="_blank">Torah</a>. Whoever does not believe in him, or whoever does not wait for his coming, not only does he defy the other prophets, but also the Torah and our Rabbi Moses. For the Torah testifies about him, thus: "And the Lord Your God will return your returned ones and will show you mercy and will return and gather you... If your strayed one shall be at the edge of Heaven... And He shall bring you" etc." (Deuteronomy 30:3-5). "These words that are explicitly stated in the Torah, encompass and include all the words spoken by all the prophets. In the section of Torah referring to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balaam" target="_blank">Bala'am</a>, too, it is stated, and there he prophesied about the two anointed ones: The first anointed one is David, who saved Israel from all their oppressors; and the last anointed one will stand up from among his descendants and saves Israel in the end. This is what he says (Numbers 24:17-18): "I see him but not now" - this is David; "I behold him but not near" - this is the Anointed King. "A star has shot forth from Jacob" - this is David; "And a brand will rise up from Israel" - this is the Anointed King. "And he will smash the edges of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moab" target="_blank">Moab</a>" - This is David, as it states: "...And he struck Moab and measured them by rope" (II Samuel 8:2); "And he will uproot all Children of Seth" - this is the Anointed King, of whom it is stated: "And his reign shall be from sea to sea" (Zechariah 9:10). "And Edom shall be possessed" - this is David, thus: "And <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edom" target="_blank">Edom</a> became David's as slaves etc." (II Samuel 8:6); "And Se'ir shall be possessed by its enemy" - this is the Anointed King, thus: "And saviors shall go up Mount Zion to judge Mount Esau, and the Kingdom shall be the Lord's" (Obadiah 1:21)." "And by the Towns of Refuge it states: "And if the Lord your God will widen up your territory... you shall add on for you another three towns" etc. (Deuteronomy 19:8-9). Now this thing never happened; and the Holy One does not command in vain. But as for the words of the prophets, this matter needs no proof, as all their books are full with this issue." "Do not imagine that the anointed King must perform miracles and signs and create new things in the world or resurrect the dead and so on. The matter is not so: For <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi_Akiva" target="_blank">Rabbi Akiba </a>was a great scholar of the sages of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mishnah" target="_blank">Mishnah</a>, and he was the assistant-warrior of the king <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_bar_Kokhba" target="_blank">Ben Coziba</a>, and claimed that he was the anointed king. He and all the Sages of his generation deemed him the anointed king, until he was killed by sins; only since he was killed, they knew that he was not. The Sages asked him neither a miracle nor a sign..." "And if a king shall stand up from among the House of David, studying Torah and indulging in commandments like his father David, according to the written and oral Torah, and he will coerce all Israel to follow it and to strengthen its weak points, and will fight Hashem's wars, this one is to be treated as if he were the anointed one. If he succeeded {and won all nations surrounding him. Old prints and mss.} and built a Holy Temple in its proper place and gathered the strayed ones of Israel together, this is indeed the anointed one for certain, and he will mend the entire world to worship the Lord together, as it is stated: "For then I shall turn for the nations a clear tongue, to call all in the Name of the Lord and to worship Him with one shoulder" (Zephaniah 3:9)." "But if he did not succeed until now, or if he was killed, it becomes known that he is not this one of whom the Torah had promised us, and he is indeed like all proper and wholesome kings of the House of David who died. The Holy One, Blessed Be He, only set him up to try the public by him, thus: "And from the seekers of wisdom there shall stumble, to purify among them and to clarify and to brighten until the time of the ending, for there is yet to the set time" (Daniel 11:35)." Taken from <a href="http://www.aish.com/tishabav/tishabavdefault/The_Messiah_in_Judaism.asp" target="_blank">http://www.aish.com/tishabav/tishaba...in_Judaism.asp</a>In Judaism, who is the Messiah? The messiah is a G-d fearing, pious Jew, who is both a great Torah scholar and a great leader as well. He is a direct descendent of King David, and will be anointed as the new Jewish King. (In fact, the Hebrew word for messiah - "Moshiach" - means "anointed one."). When the messiah comes, there will be a universal recognition of the truth of Torah and the G-d Who gave that Torah at Mount Sinai. All Jews will return to the Land of Israel, where they will throw off the yoke of their enemies and undergo a complete spiritual revival. They will embrace the faith of their forefathers and dedicate themselves to G-d's service forever. They will re-build the Holy Temple, from where the Divine presence will shine forth, spreading the light of truth, justice, tolerance and peace throughout the world. Taken from <a href="http://www.jewfaq.org/moshiach.htm" target="_blank">http://www.jewfaq.org/moshiach.htm</a> The Moshiach The moshiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The moshiach is often referred to as "moshiach ben David" (moshiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments. (Isaiah 11:2-5) He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for <a href="http://www.jewfaq.org/defs/israel.htm" target="_blank">Israel</a>. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being. It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the moshiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person's lifetime, then that person will be the moshiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the moshiach, then that person is not the moshiach. For a more detailed discussion on the terms Son of God, and Christ. Visit this link: <a href="http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/followers_of_yeshua.htm" target="_blank">http://www.answering-christianity.co..._of_yeshua.htm</a> </blockquote>

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