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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mononoke" data-source="post: 5575870" data-attributes="member: 238323">I keep Hearing this argument over and over again, frankly its farcical after the one billionth time. Nevertheless, let try and give and answer.To put it concisely you are saying that there cannot be creation without a creator. It is the classic telelogical argument of William Palay. This is a dead horse. There is no reason to beleive that just because there is order in the world we must associate agency. More importantly that agency has to be sentient is a shortcoming of the human intellect, which we have overcome if there is any future left for us on this planet. Now I like to move on to a more direct response. We see enough and more instances of complex systems arising out of simple and mindless natural processes. A good example would be the spontaneous creation of Bernard Cells, if you don't trust me wiki it. Neuron firing sequences would also be another good example. Fractal are probably the best example of this. Take a good look at his picture.<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Fractal_fern1.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" />This looks like a fern leaf. Now according to your argument an intelligent being must design it. No, you are wrong. That is a structure that was randomly generated through a computer algorithm. The people generated this image were not aiming for something life this, they had no idea what the output of the algorithm would be. Nature is full of things like this, randomly and mindlessly generated instances of complexity and order. If you have some technical education in Mathematics i suggest you read up on Fractals and Chaos Theory. It will probably illuminate you.</blockquote>

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