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Message: <blockquote data-quote="djHiran" data-source="post: 12323972" data-attributes="member: 6429">Proving Nibbana scientifically is not ever going to happen my friend! Nibbana is a personal experience. Think of it this way: When you see red color you cannot be sure if that's what someone else is seeing. If what he see is green according to your personal experience, he will still say what he see is red, because thats what he know as read! You fail to use your scientific apparatus to prove/disprove the existence of a red green discrepancy because you fail to find any physical law violated by hypothesizing the existence or non-existance of that condition.Even proving the existence of consciousness must be very hard if not impossible. You might say it is there because you experience it. But that won't "prove" it scientifically.Choosing Christianity or Islam if you had to merely for a 1 million dollars can very well be justified <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/yes.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":yes:" title="Yes    :yes:" data-shortname=":yes:" />, and I take it as an expression of a personal preference. Firstly "believing in" Buddhism as a religion is not going to do any good for you. Secondly, yes Buddhism preach about something closely related to "sadness". If you translate "dhukka" into sadness it is just like saying "gandha" is "bad smell". Dhukka really contain both sadness and happiness in its core.However if you try to meditate in the intended way you will discover a great deal of pleasure out of it. You do not have to be or become a so called Buddhist to try out that. One of my Muslim friends once wanted to try "Jehana" and I told him how to. He expressed the same pleasure I experience after practicing it. Yet he is still a good Muslim. I admit that Jehana and other higher states of consciousness do not come to you for free as a consequence of adhering to Buddhism. That is but because it has absolutely nothing to do with your religion or religious beliefs! No need to say you cannot prove the existence of Jehana by scientific means, but only you can observe are the consequences of it. For example, a considerable shift in electric fields sourcing from brain is said to be observed. See for example : <a href="http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/EEGmeditation.htm" target="_blank">http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/EEGmeditation.htm</a>You must understand that I am not referring to Buddhism as a religion. I don't believe anything of no testable or experienceable consequence, and I do not prejudge anything. But, I try practicing meditation because of the great deal of pleasure i find out of it. To become scientifically inclined is not to just throw away all the religious hats but to rationally identify what is myth, what has testable consequences and what doesn't. In that sense I still am an atheist. But not an ignorant disbeliever, because I put everything into test <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/happy.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Happy    :)" data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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