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Message: <blockquote data-quote="djHiran" data-source="post: 12326039" data-attributes="member: 6429">You got me wrong my friend, "proving Buddhism" is not my task <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/rolleyes.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Rolleyes    :rolleyes:" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> What I have stated is just that Nibbana cannot be proven once and for all (But I am not using my inability as an argument to justify Buddhism). If you really want to, you can verify for yourself the existence of Jehana with a fairly little effort. But even that is not going to help you. Because Jehana is not something unique to Buddhism. Buddha's path starts right after you attain that state of consciousness. Jehana preexisted even before Buddha. But I can promise you Jehana really is a strong state of consciousness <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/yes.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":yes:" title="Yes    :yes:" data-shortname=":yes:" /> You gotta experience it. It was a truly wonderful experience to me. I sometimes find myself using it as a helping tool for concentrating on difficult academic subjects <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/D.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D" data-shortname=":D" />You cannot prove Newton's second law by experimenting it. You only can verify it. Buddhism too is an experiment about yourself, in a sense. You can verify yourself the validity or invalidity of it if you really want to, but you may not be able to establish a proof (If you can establish, it will be a triumph <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/confused.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:" data-shortname=":confused:" />). However, it is open to test.I am NOT saying Buddhism is either the truth/has some degree of truth in it/is not the truth. But, if you are a believer or an active disbeliever you are wasting your time! Buddhism is not intended as a religion, at least as I see it (Remember : it is open to test). Note however that I am not talking about "pop" Buddhism here.</blockquote>

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