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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DJvodka" data-source="post: 17001039" data-attributes="member: 186185">I'm more stuck to the point than you are here. You are the one came up with the philosophical burden proof and other straw man's arguments when my whole point is about belief. If Atheism is completely opposite of some concept that can not be proven, then both the parties should bring about facts to support their theories. You can not simply shake it off by saying burden of proof. And at some points, not even you are changing subjects but also your own statements contradict with each other. For eg: in the beginning you've mentioned that Atheism is simply rejecting any deity or any supreme power, and now you are saying that it is hard to find people with such emphatic views (much like secular vs sacred in religions). But in the end you are saying that you are agnostics about the concept altogether. But being agnostic about god is again contradicting because clearly Atheism and Agnosticism is very different. In agnosticism you can not make such statements and also agnostic people would not argue about things that can not be proven in the first place. May be it's best that you read your own posts before further going on about burden proof. Because after all that's not my initial argument was about. So here is the bottom line.1. If a concept is not provable then both parties with opposing ideas should provide reasonable evidence to back up their position.2. If a concept is provable then only the claiming party needs provision of reasonable evidence to back up their claim.Eg:Let's say there is a box of marbles in different colors. If some one says the color of the marble that is being picked up next is such and such color, then that prediction must be supported with facts because it could have been a lucky guess. But when it comes to something that can not be evaluated, all propositions of all parties must be supported with valid facts.</blockquote>

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