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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tom Riddle" data-source="post: 17004703" data-attributes="member: 47610"><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">Why coin a new term? I am not entirely sure what the answer to that is. My guess is that people (both believers and non-believers) historically used the terms interchangeably so much that the distinction between the two became blurred. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">What Atheism / Agnoticisim means to <span style="color: red">you</span> is not relevant. Atheism is NOT defined so narrowly, as you would have seen if you had spent even a couple of minutes reading up on it. It's a <span style="color: Red">fact</span>, there is no arguing about it. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Red">Q1. </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">No, both parties do not have the burden of proof. You don't have to take my word for it, ask this on any philosophy forum or from anyone else who actually understands logic/philosophy. The party <span style="color: red"><em>asserting a claim</em></span> has the burden of proof. The party presenting a <span style="color: red"><em>new or remarkable idea</em> </span>has the burden of proof. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Green">'I don't believe what you are saying'  - NOT a positive assertion or claim - NO burden of proof</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Green">'What you are saying is false'                                  - Burden of proof to prove it is false.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Green"></span> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">An unconvinced person does NOT have a burden of proof. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">I say that I had a threesome with Kim Kardashian, Selena Gomez and Emma Watson last night. What's that? You don't believe me? Tough luck, you'd better give proof that it didn't happen!</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">See how ridiculous that is?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">Do you really think that you have a burden of proof if you don't believe your friend when he says that Obama gave him a BJ last night? Seriously? You have to prove it if you don't believe him?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">Come on man. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: red">Q2.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px">What I am asking you is</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-size: 22px"><p style="text-align: center">'Are the people who don't believe your father turned into a hulk following a religion?'</p><p></span><p style="text-align: center"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: center"> <span style="color: red"></span></p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: red"></span></p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-size: 22px"><u>Yes or No?</u></span></span></p><p></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>

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