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<blockquote data-quote="AncientGlory" data-source="post: 9645499" data-attributes="member: 262433"><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">There can be a necessity, maybe there is not. Or maybe one cannot understand the necessity as we are limited in thinking. Your question as to "why imperfect creation?" is valid, but it has nothing to do with the question "Can he create something imperfect?" The first question can be unanswerable but the answer for the second question is "Yes". If you recall my first comment you will see that I'm merely pointing out that there is no rule/argument that says omnipotent GOD cannot create something imperfect. The imperfect creation does not contradict with the definition that GOD is omnipotent. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Really? This was a method used by many philosophers, theologians, teachers including religious leaders like buddha,etc... Maybe it's a method that do not work with you.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The point you obviously missed here is that specialty of the creation is irrelevant to the argument. Whether something is special or NOT, it has no reflection on the ability of the creator to do something. You are saying that since GOD is omnipotent his creation should be special. I'm saying that argument is not valid. GOD is omnipotent so he can create anything he want including something not special. By looking at that imperfect, and average creation you cannot make the claim creator is not omnipotent.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The point I was trying to make was, that "When we define the omnipotent GOD". Not that "All GODs are omnipotent by definition. My apologies if I was not clear on this. I go by the argument you bought forward while saying "omnipotent GOD'.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Absolutely not what?</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">This sounds crazy to <u>you</u>. Subjective view. I think an omnipotent creature can do anything as he wishes. Makes perfect sense to me. Now if you payed any attention to my first post, I said that omnibenevolence GOD will contradict with an imperfect creation. And when someone claims GOD is OMNIMAX then that definition has a problem since GOD who is omnipotent can create anything, and why would a GOD who is omnibenevolence create such an imperfect world full of suffering?</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Once again my argument is that GOD being omnipotent does not say that he creating something imperfect is illogical. But GOD being OMNIMAX does.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">No it has nothing to do with GOD being omnipotent. Omnipotent GOD can create whatever he wish, a world full of earthquakes, tsunamis and disasters. Whether a GOD is worth of worshiping is completely irrelevant to this discussion. There, Both facts are denied.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AncientGlory, post: 9645499, member: 262433"] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]There can be a necessity, maybe there is not. Or maybe one cannot understand the necessity as we are limited in thinking. Your question as to "why imperfect creation?" is valid, but it has nothing to do with the question "Can he create something imperfect?" The first question can be unanswerable but the answer for the second question is "Yes". If you recall my first comment you will see that I'm merely pointing out that there is no rule/argument that says omnipotent GOD cannot create something imperfect. The imperfect creation does not contradict with the definition that GOD is omnipotent. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Really? This was a method used by many philosophers, theologians, teachers including religious leaders like buddha,etc... Maybe it's a method that do not work with you.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]The point you obviously missed here is that specialty of the creation is irrelevant to the argument. Whether something is special or NOT, it has no reflection on the ability of the creator to do something. You are saying that since GOD is omnipotent his creation should be special. I'm saying that argument is not valid. GOD is omnipotent so he can create anything he want including something not special. By looking at that imperfect, and average creation you cannot make the claim creator is not omnipotent.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]The point I was trying to make was, that "When we define the omnipotent GOD". Not that "All GODs are omnipotent by definition. My apologies if I was not clear on this. I go by the argument you bought forward while saying "omnipotent GOD'.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Absolutely not what?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]This sounds crazy to [U]you[/U]. Subjective view. I think an omnipotent creature can do anything as he wishes. Makes perfect sense to me. Now if you payed any attention to my first post, I said that omnibenevolence GOD will contradict with an imperfect creation. And when someone claims GOD is OMNIMAX then that definition has a problem since GOD who is omnipotent can create anything, and why would a GOD who is omnibenevolence create such an imperfect world full of suffering?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Once again my argument is that GOD being omnipotent does not say that he creating something imperfect is illogical. But GOD being OMNIMAX does.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]No it has nothing to do with GOD being omnipotent. Omnipotent GOD can create whatever he wish, a world full of earthquakes, tsunamis and disasters. Whether a GOD is worth of worshiping is completely irrelevant to this discussion. There, Both facts are denied.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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