Challange of the quran !!!

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Aney manda oyal Ekka katha karana eken ewarayak naha.. menna meykata mey thread Eke oya puluwannam eyage Adahasata wiruddawa uththarayk denna puluwannam denna (oyata bari wei :P ) http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4683396&postcount=2

oyata Godkenek naha kiyannata proof thiyenawada?
innawa kiyanna mata proof thiyenawa A'mama exist kiyanney Apey wishwaase anuwa
Apiwa god mawwa kiyana Ekai. (nathnam Gazaly kiyala kenek nahaney)
oya oyage Adahasata proof gaynnako balanna..


Okata kiyanne Argument from ignorance kiyala. God kenek naa kiyala proof naa kiyanne innawa kiyana ekata proof ekak newei. Mang kiyanne naa god kenek aththema naa kiyala, innath puluwan, namuth proof nathi nisa mang belive karanne naa. Wishwasayak kiyanne proof ekak newei. Oya methane inne god kenek nisa newi , oyage ammai thaththai nisa. :P. Echcharawath deyak danne nadda ??


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me video 2ma poddak lenth eka diga wediy oyata uwamanawak tibba nam oya balay
Watch this
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These videos are so funny, I couldn’t help laughing. This article has a well written counter arguments to all the BS the guy in the first video says, Didn’t watch the second video, but I’m sure its more BS like the first.

Most of the religious leaders will try to twist and turn the vague phrases that really have no meaning on their own, to fit some of the scientific theories of today. For example that guy says "the heavens and the earth were joined together, then We clove them asunder and We got every living thing out of the water" is an interpretation of the big bang theory. How that does even remotely connects to the explanation provided by the big bang theory?
 

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    he Quran on the Expanding Universe and the Big Bang Theory
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    This article delineates the correlation between the most accepted scientific explanation of the origin and expansion of the Universe, and the description of its origin and expansion in the Quran.

    Hubble’s Law

    For thousands of years, astronomers wrestled with basic questions concerning the universe. Until the early 1920’s, it was believed that the universe had always been in existence; also, that the size of the universe was fixed and not changing. However, in 1912, the American astronomer, Vesto Slipher, made a discovery that would soon change astronomers’ beliefs about the universe. Slipher, noticed that the galaxies were moving away from earth at huge velocities. These observations provided the first evidence supporting the expanding-universe theory.http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1560/#_edn1

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    Before the invention of the telescope in 1608, man could do little more than wonder about the origin of the universe. (Courtesy: NASA)

    In 1916, Albert Einstein formulated his General Theory of Relativity that indicated that the universe must be either expanding or contracting. Confirmation of the expanding-universe theory finally came in 1929 in the hands of the well known American astronomer Edwin Hubble.
    By observing redshiftshttp://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1560/#_edn2 in the light wavelengths emitted by galaxies, Hubble found that galaxies were not fixed in their position; instead, they were actually moving away from us with speeds proportional to their distance from earth (Hubble's Law). The only explanation for this observation was that the universe had to be expanding. Hubble’s discovery is regarded as one of the greatest in the history of astronomy. In 1929, he published the velocity-time relation which is the basis of modern cosmology. In the years to come, with further observations, the expanding-universe theory was accepted by scientists and astronomers alike.

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    With the Hooker Telescope, Hubble discovered that the galaxies were moving away us. Above are photos of known galaxies. (Courtesy: NASA)

    Yet, astonishingly well before telescopes were even invented and well before Hubble published his Law, Prophet Muhammad used to recite a verse of the Quran to his companions that ultimately stated that the universe is expanding.
    “And the heaven We created with might, and indeed We are (its) expander.” (Quran 51:47)
    At the time of the revelation of the Quran, the word “space” was not known, and people used the word “heaven” to refer to what lies above the Earth. In the above verse, the word “heaven” is referring to space and the known universe. The verse points out that space, and thus the universe, happens to be expanding, just as Hubble’s Law states.
    That the Quran mentioned such a fact centuries before the invention of the first telescope, at a time when there was primitive knowledge in science, is considered remarkable. This is more so considering that, like many people in his time, Prophet Muhammad happened to be illiterate and simply could not have been aware of such facts by himself. Could it be that he had truly received divine revelation from the Creator and Originator of the universe?
    The Big Bang Theory

    Soon after Hubble published his theory, he went on to discover that not only were galaxies moving away from the Earth, but were also moving away from one another. This meant that the universe happened to be expanding in every direction, in the same way a balloon expands when filled with air. Hubble’s new findings placed the foundations for the Big Bang theory.
    The Big Bang theory states that around 12-15 billion years ago the universe came into existence from one single extremely hot and dense point, and that something triggered the explosion of this point that brought about the beginning of the universe. The universe, since then, has been expanding from this single point.
    Later, in 1965, radio astronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson made a Noble Prize winning discovery that confirmed the Bing Bang theory. Prior to their discovery, the theory implied that if the single point from which the universe came into existence was initially extremely hot, then remnants of this heat should be found. This remnant heat is exactly what Penzias and Wilson found. In 1965, Penzias and Wilson discovered a 2.725 degree Kelvin Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMB) that spreads through the universe. Thus, it was understood that the radiation found was a remnant of the initial stages of the Big Bang. Presently, the Big Bang theory is accepted by the vast majority of scientists and astronomers.

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    A microwave map of the leftover from the Big Bang that gave birth to the universe. (Courtesy: NASA)

    It is mentioned in the Quran:
    “He (God) is the Originator of the heavens and the earth…” (Quran 6:101)
    “Is not He who created the heavens and the earth Able to create the likes of them? Yes; and He is the Knowing Creator. His command is only when He intends a thing that He says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.” (Quran 36:81-82)
    The above verses prove that the universe had a beginning, that God was behind its creation, and all that God needs to do inorder to create is to say “Be,” and it is. Could this be an explanation as to what triggered off the explosion that brought about the beginning of the universe?
    The Quran also mentions:
    “Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, then We separated them, and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?” (Quran 21:30)
    Muslim scholars who have explained the previous verse mention that the heavens and earth were once one, and then God caused them to separate and form into the seven heavens and Earth. Yet, due to the limitations of science and technology at the time of the revelation of the Quran (and for centuries to follow), no scholar was able to give much detail about how exactly the heavens and earth were created. What the scholars could explain was the precise meaning of each word in Arabic in the verse, as well as the overall meaning of the verse.
    In the previous verse, the Arabic words ratq and fataq are used. The word ratq can be translated into “entity” “sewn to” “joined together” or “closed up”. The meaning of these translations all circulate around something that is mixed and that has a separate and distinct existence. The verb fataq is translated into “We unstitched” “We clove them asunder” “We separated” or “We have opened them”. These meanings imply that something comes into being by an action of splitting or tearing apart. The sprouting of a seed from the soil is a good example of a similar illustration of the meaning of the verb fataq.
    With the introduction of the Big Bang theory, it soon became clear to Muslim scholars that the details mentioned with regards to the theory go identically hand in hand with the description of the creation of the universe in verse 30 of chapter 21 of the Quran. The theory states that all the matter in the universe came into existence from one single extremely hot and dense point; that exploded and brought about the beginning of the universe, matches what is mentioned in the verse that the heaven and Earth (thus the universe) where once joined together, and then split apart. Once again, the only possible explanation is that Prophet Muhammad had truly received divine revelation from God, The Creator and Originator of the universe.
     

    alagakkonara

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    I'm sorry for the late reply brother


    POINT 1 :

    A challenger cant submit his work in English because

    (source : http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080803045214AAXA74Z)

    1 - The old scriptures were translated over and over again and therefore lost meaning. That is why the Quran is never translated because it will lose its meaning becuase there are loads of words in arabic that dont even exist in other languages.
    I think it is time for me to outline my concerns perfectly because I fear we might end up going in circles.

    If you are saying that the challenge should be met in Arabic that's fine. Here are my concerns

    (1)Won't this limit the challenge to those who speak and write arabic? How can this challenge be Universal then?
    (2)To the best of my knowledge Arabic is a very rich and beautiful language. So won't it be much harder to write a sura like it in any other language than Arabic? What is the point in saying that it should be in Arabic? Make the challenge easier for the taker?
    (3)My understanding was that the content of the quran was what mattered. I still fail to understand the importance of language, when facing this challenge.




    thats y many non-muslims and muslim who don't know arabic come across various doubts and questions? but whenever we come up with any questions, for correct understanding we always refer it to the Arabic text ; while the translations may vary according to the time and the place, the Arabic text remains the same. [I showed you the arabic quran which was in turkey museum !!!??]

    This is quite new to me. It was my understanding that as far as content is concerned the translation of quran is sufficient. For a seeker like my self, there is no way to learn Islam then. Why?
    (1) I do not accept what others say, I have to look and see for my self.
    (2) I may never learn arabic
    (3) So there no way for me to know the true quaran, since I may never learn arabic, so I don't have a chance to know myself.

    Siraj, gazaly and other members of EK has posted the miracle of quran if u didnt read Insha allah again we are gonna summarize the miracles if the quran in one thread and post then you might realize the conditions what I told you in previouse thread was about the literature challenge (starts with Al-Basit that arabic syllabs and )!! ok

    u were on the middle of our discussions with Mr.EX and asking about the challange so I din get a chance to post regarding "Quran's miracle and the message of the quran "


    Really good. I think the whole confusion is there since no one really specifies the rules of the challenge.

    My observations so far,

    (1)In Quran(English translation) Allah says that the challenge is universal/for everyone(Implies there aren't any limitations in my opinion) but Allah never says anything about it being in Arabic Nor he is specific about what is meant by the word 'like'(surah like it)
    (2)No one really knows the conditions of the challenge, so they make up their own conditions(This is ok as long as proven with reasonable logic).

    " These challenges were not just empty words with no one caring to prove them wrong. Prophet Muhammad’s call to monotheism, to the abolition of idolatry in all its forms, and to the equality of slaves and their masters threatened the whole socio-economic framework of Mecca society in general, and the position of the ruling Quraishee tribe from which the Prophet came in particular. Mecca, the trading center of Arabia, as well as its spiritual center, desperately wanted to stop the spread of Islam. Yet all that the Prophet’s opponents had to do to crush the movement was to make up a single chapter like any one of those which the Prophet and his followers were reciting to the people. A number of Quraishee orators and poets tried to imitate the Quran, but they failed. They then resorted to offering him vast amounts of wealth, the position of king over them, and the most noble and beautiful of their women in exchange for his promise to stop inviting people to Islam. He responded to them by reciting the first thirteen verses of Chapter Fussilat, until they asked him to stop."

    Collected by al-Hakim, al-Bayhaqee, Aboo Ya’laa and Ibn Hishaam, and declared Hasan by Ibrahim al-’Alee in Sahih as-Seerah an-Nabaweeyah, p.64.
    (source : http://www.islamhouse.com/p/138063)
    (Allahu Aa'lam)

    In what sense do you say this is authentic?

    In my opinion if you are providing authentic information it should be
    (1) Proof on some one trying the challenge(Not from a story)
    (2) He/She failing the challenge (Please specify who decided that he failed. Islam biased judges are not acceptable, for obvious reasons)
    (3) From an unbiased source

    (sorry bro the browser I use [chorm] doesnt support WISWIG so I coudn't format my reply )
    There's nothing to apologize for.

    My opinion on the challenge,
    The challenge was for some specific people at the time of the Prophet, It is divine to Muslims. Presenting the challenge to prove the divinity of Allah or for anything else to a Non Muslim is pointless.
     
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    i hope and pray for muslim unity in this EK for DAWAH.

    My opinion on the challenge,
    The challenge was for some specific people at the time of the Prophet, It is divine to Muslims. Presenting the challenge to prove the divinity of Allah or for anything else to a Non Muslim is pointless.

    Assalamu Alykum to all Bros & Sis...

    here i want to inform all the muslim brothers and sisters that this thread is not an big issue instead of spending time on this matter by argueing between muslims is pointless. we muslim here in EK can do a lot in DAWAH activities. so i prefer we all shall unite and spent our precious time here for DAWAH against ignorance.

    secondly alagakkonara bro it is very simple no need to complicate this matter. as we all know that Glorious Al Quran is the final revelation of ALLAH SWT. also the things which are mentioned is not limited to a particular time, place or people. it is applicable till the of judgement.

    indeedly there is a challenge in Glorious Al Quran for the kuffars and those who claim our beloved prophet PBUH is a madman (may ALLAH SWT send HIS lahnah/curse on those who insult HIS PROPHET PBUH) and also those who say Glorious Al Quran not a Divine Revelation. we all know in the past there were people insult our beloved prophet PBUH in the present there people who insult our beloved prophet PBUH in the future also there will be. it is a countineuing proccess this challenge is for Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Irshad Manji, Daniel Pipes, Ibn Warraq, Alexandre del Valle, Philippe de Villiers, Geert Wilders, Oriana Fallaci, Robert Spencer, Theo van Gogh, Atatürk, Afshin Ellian, Salman Rushdie, Ahmad Kasravi, Taha Hussein.

    THIS CHALLENGE IS TILL THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT.

    i hope and pray for muslim unity in this EK for DAWAH.
     

    Wal Bada

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  • Hubble’s Law

    For thousands of years, astronomers wrestled with basic questions concerning the universe. Until the early 1920’s, it was believed that the universe had always been in existence; also, that the size of the universe was fixed and not changing. However, in 1912, the American astronomer, Vesto Slipher, made a discovery that would soon change astronomers’ beliefs about the universe. Slipher, noticed that the galaxies were moving away from earth at huge velocities. These observations provided the first evidence supporting the expanding-universe theory.

    This is the judo-christian view point. At 1500BC Chinese knew about four dimensional universe. In 550BC Buddha preached about oscillating universe. Sorry mate, these were done bey people who lived milleniums before Mohammad.
     

    Wal Bada

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  • Your rant about Big Bang is laughable.

    No one knows this was the first big bang or was it the latest big bang. If this was the latest, then Allah might have made a mistake in earlier cycles. So (s)he's not omnipotent, and I have no reason to obey him because he's not omnipotent as Quran says.
     

    alagakkonara

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    Insha allah I will answer ur questions b4 that May I know your religion ?

    I am a Seeker of Truth. The truth is my religion. I know a lot about buddhism but not of other religions, I wish to learn. It is my belief that every religion offers truth in a specific way.
     

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    secondly alagakkonara bro it is very simple no need to complicate this matter. as we all know that Glorious Al Quran is the final revelation of ALLAH SWT. also the things which are mentioned is not limited to a particular time, place or people. it is applicable till the of judgement.



    THIS CHALLENGE IS TILL THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT.

    Thank you for your opinion.
     
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