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<blockquote data-quote="3.5G" data-source="post: 5348282" data-attributes="member: 158943"><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">(translation : English Dr. Mohsin Khan )</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">[ 2:21 ] <strong>O mankind! Worship your Lord (Allâh)</strong>, Who created you and those who were before you so that you may become Al-Muttaqûn (the pious - see V.2:2)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">[ 2:22 ] Who has made the earth a resting place for you, and the sky as a canopy, and sent down water (rain) from the sky and brought forth therewith fruits as a provision for you. Then do not set up rivals unto Allâh (in worship) while you know (that He Alone has the right to be worshipped).</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">[ 2:23 ] And if you are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Qur'ân) to Our slave (Muhammad Peace be upon him ), then produce a Sûrah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allâh, if you are truthful.[ 2:24 ]But if you do it not, and you can never do it, then fear the Fire (Hell) whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">[ 2:25 ]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">POINT 1 :</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">ALLAH SAYS (2:21)<strong>O mankind! Worship your Lord (Allâh)</strong> then (2:22)allah states in the quran that He Alone has the right to be worshipped after that (here comes the answer for your question !!! )</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">[ 2:23 ] And if you are(states to the mankind which mentioned in the verse 2:21) in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Qur'ân) to Our slave (Muhammad Peace be upon him ), then produce a Sûrah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allâh, if you are truthful.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Red">A challenger cant submit his work in English because </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(source : <a href="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080803045214AAXA74Z" target="_blank">http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080803045214AAXA74Z</a>)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">1 - The old scriptures were translated over and over again and therefore lost meaning. That is why the Quran is never translated because it will lose its meaning becuase there are loads of words in arabic that dont even exist in other languages. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">So it is in arabic and never translated (however there are translations of the quran but they are <strong>merely a temporary substitute for those who do not speak arabic</strong> or are new to the faith and therefore dont understand much.) For example there are many different translations of the quran in english, one of which is Yusef Ali and they all differ from one another .</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">thats y many non-muslims and muslim who don't know arabic come across various doubts and questions? but whenever we come up with any questions, for correct understanding we always refer it to the Arabic text ; while the translations may vary according to the time and the place, <strong>the Arabic text remains the same</strong>. [I showed you the arabic quran which was in turkey museum !!!??]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">No brother the sura like that wont refer to the translation it refers to the Arabic Quran </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(English translation Dr. Mohsin Khan: )</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Verily, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'ân in order that you may understand.( 12:2 ])</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">by looking at a translation you find some miracles of quran (ie. the Literature miracle) </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">so the challangers words should be arabic </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Gray">Siraj, gazaly and other members of EK has posted the miracle of quran if u didnt read Insha allah again we are gonna summarize the miracles if the quran in one thread and post then you might realize the conditions what I told you in previouse thread was about the literature challenge (starts with Al-Basit that arabic syllabs and )!! ok </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Gray"></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Gray">u were on the middle of our discussions with Mr.EX and asking about the challange so I din get a chance to post regarding "Quran's miracle and the message of the quran "</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">yes indeed If you need I can show you proof for that !!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">" These challenges were not just empty words with no one caring to prove them wrong. Prophet Muhammad’s call to monotheism, to the abolition of idolatry in all its forms, and to the equality of slaves and their masters threatened the whole socio-economic framework of Mecca society in general, and the position of the ruling Quraishee tribe from which the Prophet came in particular. Mecca, the trading center of Arabia, as well as its spiritual center, desperately wanted to stop the spread of Islam. <strong>Yet all that the Prophet’s opponents had to do to crush the movement was to make up a single chapter like any one of those which the Prophet and his followers were reciting to the people. A number of Quraishee orators and poets tried to imitate the Quran, but they failed. They then resorted to offering him vast amounts of wealth, the position of king over them, and the most noble and beautiful of their women in exchange for his promise to stop inviting people to Islam. He responded to them by reciting the first thirteen verses of Chapter Fussilat, until they asked him to stop</strong>."</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Collected by al-Hakim, al-Bayhaqee, Aboo Ya’laa and Ibn Hishaam, and declared Hasan by Ibrahim al-’Alee in Sahih as-Seerah an-Nabaweeyah, p.64.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(source : <a href="http://www.islamhouse.com/p/138063" target="_blank">http://www.islamhouse.com/p/138063</a>)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(Allahu Aa'lam)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(sorry bro the browser I use [chorm] doesnt support WISWIG so I coudn't format my reply )</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="3.5G, post: 5348282, member: 158943"] [FONT="Trebuchet MS"][SIZE="4"] [COLOR="DarkGreen"] (translation : English Dr. Mohsin Khan ) [ 2:21 ] [B]O mankind! Worship your Lord (Allâh)[/B], Who created you and those who were before you so that you may become Al-Muttaqûn (the pious - see V.2:2) [ 2:22 ] Who has made the earth a resting place for you, and the sky as a canopy, and sent down water (rain) from the sky and brought forth therewith fruits as a provision for you. Then do not set up rivals unto Allâh (in worship) while you know (that He Alone has the right to be worshipped). [ 2:23 ] And if you are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Qur'ân) to Our slave (Muhammad Peace be upon him ), then produce a Sûrah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allâh, if you are truthful.[ 2:24 ]But if you do it not, and you can never do it, then fear the Fire (Hell) whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers. [ 2:25 ] [/COLOR] POINT 1 : ALLAH SAYS (2:21)[B]O mankind! Worship your Lord (Allâh)[/B] then (2:22)allah states in the quran that He Alone has the right to be worshipped after that (here comes the answer for your question !!! ) [ 2:23 ] And if you are(states to the mankind which mentioned in the verse 2:21) in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Qur'ân) to Our slave (Muhammad Peace be upon him ), then produce a Sûrah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allâh, if you are truthful. [COLOR="Red"]A challenger cant submit his work in English because [/COLOR] (source : [url]http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080803045214AAXA74Z[/url]) 1 - The old scriptures were translated over and over again and therefore lost meaning. That is why the Quran is never translated because it will lose its meaning becuase there are loads of words in arabic that dont even exist in other languages. So it is in arabic and never translated (however there are translations of the quran but they are [B]merely a temporary substitute for those who do not speak arabic[/B] or are new to the faith and therefore dont understand much.) For example there are many different translations of the quran in english, one of which is Yusef Ali and they all differ from one another . thats y many non-muslims and muslim who don't know arabic come across various doubts and questions? but whenever we come up with any questions, for correct understanding we always refer it to the Arabic text ; while the translations may vary according to the time and the place, [B]the Arabic text remains the same[/B]. [I showed you the arabic quran which was in turkey museum !!!??] No brother the sura like that wont refer to the translation it refers to the Arabic Quran (English translation Dr. Mohsin Khan: ) Verily, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'ân in order that you may understand.( 12:2 ]) by looking at a translation you find some miracles of quran (ie. the Literature miracle) so the challangers words should be arabic [COLOR="Gray"]Siraj, gazaly and other members of EK has posted the miracle of quran if u didnt read Insha allah again we are gonna summarize the miracles if the quran in one thread and post then you might realize the conditions what I told you in previouse thread was about the literature challenge (starts with Al-Basit that arabic syllabs and )!! ok u were on the middle of our discussions with Mr.EX and asking about the challange so I din get a chance to post regarding "Quran's miracle and the message of the quran "[/COLOR] yes indeed If you need I can show you proof for that !! " These challenges were not just empty words with no one caring to prove them wrong. Prophet Muhammad’s call to monotheism, to the abolition of idolatry in all its forms, and to the equality of slaves and their masters threatened the whole socio-economic framework of Mecca society in general, and the position of the ruling Quraishee tribe from which the Prophet came in particular. Mecca, the trading center of Arabia, as well as its spiritual center, desperately wanted to stop the spread of Islam. [B]Yet all that the Prophet’s opponents had to do to crush the movement was to make up a single chapter like any one of those which the Prophet and his followers were reciting to the people. A number of Quraishee orators and poets tried to imitate the Quran, but they failed. They then resorted to offering him vast amounts of wealth, the position of king over them, and the most noble and beautiful of their women in exchange for his promise to stop inviting people to Islam. He responded to them by reciting the first thirteen verses of Chapter Fussilat, until they asked him to stop[/B]." Collected by al-Hakim, al-Bayhaqee, Aboo Ya’laa and Ibn Hishaam, and declared Hasan by Ibrahim al-’Alee in Sahih as-Seerah an-Nabaweeyah, p.64. (source : [url]http://www.islamhouse.com/p/138063[/url]) (Allahu Aa'lam) (sorry bro the browser I use [chorm] doesnt support WISWIG so I coudn't format my reply ) [/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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