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<blockquote data-quote="alagakkonara" data-source="post: 5358911" data-attributes="member: 128791"><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I'm sorry for the late reply brother</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I think it is time for me to outline my concerns perfectly because I fear we might end up going in circles.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">If you are saying that the challenge should be met in Arabic that's fine. Here are my concerns</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(1)Won't this limit the challenge to those who speak and write arabic? How can this challenge be Universal then?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(2)To the best of my knowledge Arabic is a very rich and beautiful language. So won't it be much harder to write a sura like it in any other language than Arabic? What is the point in saying that it should be in Arabic? Make the challenge easier for the taker? </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(3)My understanding was that the content of the quran was what mattered. I still fail to understand the importance of language, when facing this challenge.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">This is quite new to me. It was my understanding that as far as content is concerned the translation of quran is sufficient. For a seeker like my self, there is no way to learn Islam then. Why?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(1) I do not accept what others say, I have to look and see for my self.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(2) I may never learn arabic</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(3) So there no way for me to know the true quaran, since I may never learn arabic, so I don't have a chance to know myself.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Really good. I think the whole confusion is there since no one really specifies the rules of the challenge.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">My observations so far,</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(1)In Quran(English translation) Allah says that the challenge is universal/for everyone(Implies there aren't any limitations in my opinion) but Allah never says anything about it being in Arabic Nor he is specific about what is meant by the word '<span style="color: Red">like</span>'(surah <u>like </u>it)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"> (2)No one really knows the conditions of the challenge, so they make up their own conditions(This is ok as long as proven with reasonable logic).</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">In what sense do you say this is authentic? </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">In my opinion if you are providing authentic information it should be </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(1) Proof on some one trying the challenge(Not from a story)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(2) He/She failing the challenge (Please specify who decided that he failed. Islam biased judges are not acceptable, for obvious reasons)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(3) From an unbiased source</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">There's nothing to apologize for.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Red">My opinion on the challenge, </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Red">The challenge was for some specific people at the time of the Prophet, It is divine to Muslims. Presenting the challenge to prove the divinity of Allah or for anything else to a Non Muslim is pointless.</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="alagakkonara, post: 5358911, member: 128791"] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]I'm sorry for the late reply brother[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]I think it is time for me to outline my concerns perfectly because I fear we might end up going in circles. If you are saying that the challenge should be met in Arabic that's fine. Here are my concerns (1)Won't this limit the challenge to those who speak and write arabic? How can this challenge be Universal then? (2)To the best of my knowledge Arabic is a very rich and beautiful language. So won't it be much harder to write a sura like it in any other language than Arabic? What is the point in saying that it should be in Arabic? Make the challenge easier for the taker? (3)My understanding was that the content of the quran was what mattered. I still fail to understand the importance of language, when facing this challenge. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4] This is quite new to me. It was my understanding that as far as content is concerned the translation of quran is sufficient. For a seeker like my self, there is no way to learn Islam then. Why? (1) I do not accept what others say, I have to look and see for my self. (2) I may never learn arabic (3) So there no way for me to know the true quaran, since I may never learn arabic, so I don't have a chance to know myself. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4] Really good. I think the whole confusion is there since no one really specifies the rules of the challenge. My observations so far, (1)In Quran(English translation) Allah says that the challenge is universal/for everyone(Implies there aren't any limitations in my opinion) but Allah never says anything about it being in Arabic Nor he is specific about what is meant by the word '[COLOR=Red]like[/COLOR]'(surah [U]like [/U]it) [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4] (2)No one really knows the conditions of the challenge, so they make up their own conditions(This is ok as long as proven with reasonable logic). [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4] In what sense do you say this is authentic? In my opinion if you are providing authentic information it should be (1) Proof on some one trying the challenge(Not from a story) (2) He/She failing the challenge (Please specify who decided that he failed. Islam biased judges are not acceptable, for obvious reasons) (3) From an unbiased source [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]There's nothing to apologize for. [COLOR=Red]My opinion on the challenge, The challenge was for some specific people at the time of the Prophet, It is divine to Muslims. Presenting the challenge to prove the divinity of Allah or for anything else to a Non Muslim is pointless.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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