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<blockquote data-quote="kalyanamithra" data-source="post: 2314967" data-attributes="member: 99586"><p>Dear friend,</p><p></p><p> </p><p>No, people will not automatically attain Nibbana at the end of world. <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/no.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":no:" title="No :no:" data-shortname=":no:" /> Becuase everything in Sansara is for existence (not for stopping). One can escape only by following the Noble Eightfold Path.</p><p></p><p>This question is not relevant; because it's Loka Vishaya which we should not dwell on it for long; I can only cite from Dhamma; I am doing even this only because it's asked for...</p><p></p><p>There is a clue to this in Agganna Sutta of Digha Nikaya (there may be other clues which I am not aware of) although that Sutta was disclosed by the Buddha with a different intent (i.e. it was disclosed to highlight that whole structure of the society is there because of Dhamma).</p><p>[You can find a Deshana on the Sutta by Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero at <a href="http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/sinhala/166_Agganna_sutta.mp3" target="_blank">http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/sinhala/166_Agganna_sutta.mp3</a> ]</p><p></p><p>Beings exist the period in what known as Abhassara Brahma Loka; with the mechanism for dependent origination (i.e. Paticca Samuppada) intact (so they want end the Sansara...). The Sansara continues in other wolds as they are formed again.</p><p></p><p>You may have seen people citing Agganna Sutta to show how well it matches with the theories scientists have come with. We should not fall pray for these things. Why? Because such discussions are not relevant to our Path to Nibbana... <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/yes.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":yes:" title="Yes :yes:" data-shortname=":yes:" /></p><p></p><p> </p><p>That's not Buddhist thinking. There's no balance like that.</p><p></p><p>I will try to explain a bit how our actions (Karma) bring forth results (Vipaka)</p><p> </p><p>When we do good deeds while having the clingings (Note: this does not happen to Rahathan wahanse because they are free of clingings) our consciousness (Vinnana - think of it as Mind for simplicity) grows accordingly. This is called Punnya (meritorious) abhisankara. The being will have to undrego (correct word: vedaniya - vindavanna) the good results (vipaka) in the same life; in the next life or any life till attainment of Nibbana. </p><p></p><p>Similarly Apunny Abhisankara results when one does bad deeds. They will bring bad results. Moreover Anenja Abhisankara results when one is in Jhana (because mind is focussed on something; what done by the mind while in the Jhana is not neither good or bad). It too will produce relavant results in due course.</p><p></p><p>Another thing we should know is that a person doing good may get bad returns (from old Karma); and person doing bad may get good returns (from old Karma). This is because of what the being may have done in the long Samsaraic existence.</p><p></p><p>One should read Maha Dhamma Samadana Sutta of Majjima Nikaya to be clearer on it. A Deshna on it by Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero is found at <a href="http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/Mp3/Maha_Dhamma_Samadana_Sutta.mp3" target="_blank">http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/Mp3/Maha_Dhamma_Samadana_Sutta.mp3</a> </p><p></p><p>The Sutta explains four Dhamma Samadana. We should keep in mind that: a person should not give up good deeds even if he get bad returns due to things he/she may have done in the past. </p><p></p><p>But everything is not Athitha (past) Kamma. Suppose person 'A' stabs person 'B'; it's not necessarily past Kamma of 'B'. But it is certainly a bad Kamma done by 'A'; 'A' will get returns unless he manages to follow a Path that nullifies that Kamma Vipaka.</p><p></p><p>Dear friend, there's no balance of good and evil. What we get is what we have done. The best thing is the ability one has to change it. This fact it self rationalizes following Dhamma.</p><p></p><p>It's like this; a person not aware of Dhamma is mostly controlled by Kamma. Following Dhamma gradually nullifies Karma Vipaka. It is because the person is doing another great Kamma: the Noble Eightfold Path! it's return is complete elimination of certain Kamma Vipaka (in different levels). For example a person attaining Sothapathi state will have all Kamma that gives returns in Niraya (hell) nullified; that's why the person become free from birth in Niraya. </p><p></p><p>Kamma Sutta (please find the Deshana by Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnananananda Thero at <a href="http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/sinhala/080_Kamma_Sutta.mp3" target="_blank">http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/sinhala/080_Kamma_Sutta.mp3</a> ) gives more insight to this.</p><p></p><p>In general Samsaraic existence is Dhukkha (suffering). A being tends to spend most of its existence in worlds of suffering. And what we expereice as Sukha (e.g. pleasures, happiness) becomes Dukkha at some point of time, because of impermanence (Anithya nature). Another important point is that there's nothing we can consider as self (Athma). In other words there is noting we can control forever as oneself! Therefore Anithya, Dhukkha, Anathma characterizes existence of any being (whether in hell, heaven...).</p><p></p><p>That's why one should think about ending this existence; and start developing oneself according to the Path.</p><p></p><p>We have to keep on learning Dhamma (called: Sadhdharma Shrawanaya); keep on maintaining our thinking accordingly (called: Yoniso Manasikara); and keep on adopting them to what we practice (called: Dhammanudamma Patipada). Path to Nibbana is causal (see Upanisa Sutta); and it will gradually grow in us. So what we have to do it start; and keep to the path.</p><p></p><p>As we develop in Dhamma we will realize the Truth; and the questions we have will be no longer there. Hope my post addresses your concerns at least partially... </p><p></p><p>Theruwan saranai!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kalyanamithra, post: 2314967, member: 99586"] Dear friend, No, people will not automatically attain Nibbana at the end of world. :no: Becuase everything in Sansara is for existence (not for stopping). One can escape only by following the Noble Eightfold Path. This question is not relevant; because it's Loka Vishaya which we should not dwell on it for long; I can only cite from Dhamma; I am doing even this only because it's asked for... There is a clue to this in Agganna Sutta of Digha Nikaya (there may be other clues which I am not aware of) although that Sutta was disclosed by the Buddha with a different intent (i.e. it was disclosed to highlight that whole structure of the society is there because of Dhamma). [You can find a Deshana on the Sutta by Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero at [URL="http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/sinhala/166_Agganna_sutta.mp3"]http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/sinhala/166_Agganna_sutta.mp3[/URL] ] Beings exist the period in what known as Abhassara Brahma Loka; with the mechanism for dependent origination (i.e. Paticca Samuppada) intact (so they want end the Sansara...). The Sansara continues in other wolds as they are formed again. You may have seen people citing Agganna Sutta to show how well it matches with the theories scientists have come with. We should not fall pray for these things. Why? Because such discussions are not relevant to our Path to Nibbana... :yes: That's not Buddhist thinking. There's no balance like that. I will try to explain a bit how our actions (Karma) bring forth results (Vipaka) When we do good deeds while having the clingings (Note: this does not happen to Rahathan wahanse because they are free of clingings) our consciousness (Vinnana - think of it as Mind for simplicity) grows accordingly. This is called Punnya (meritorious) abhisankara. The being will have to undrego (correct word: vedaniya - vindavanna) the good results (vipaka) in the same life; in the next life or any life till attainment of Nibbana. Similarly Apunny Abhisankara results when one does bad deeds. They will bring bad results. Moreover Anenja Abhisankara results when one is in Jhana (because mind is focussed on something; what done by the mind while in the Jhana is not neither good or bad). It too will produce relavant results in due course. Another thing we should know is that a person doing good may get bad returns (from old Karma); and person doing bad may get good returns (from old Karma). This is because of what the being may have done in the long Samsaraic existence. One should read Maha Dhamma Samadana Sutta of Majjima Nikaya to be clearer on it. A Deshna on it by Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero is found at [URL="http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/Mp3/Maha_Dhamma_Samadana_Sutta.mp3"]http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/Mp3/Maha_Dhamma_Samadana_Sutta.mp3[/URL] The Sutta explains four Dhamma Samadana. We should keep in mind that: a person should not give up good deeds even if he get bad returns due to things he/she may have done in the past. But everything is not Athitha (past) Kamma. Suppose person 'A' stabs person 'B'; it's not necessarily past Kamma of 'B'. But it is certainly a bad Kamma done by 'A'; 'A' will get returns unless he manages to follow a Path that nullifies that Kamma Vipaka. Dear friend, there's no balance of good and evil. What we get is what we have done. The best thing is the ability one has to change it. This fact it self rationalizes following Dhamma. It's like this; a person not aware of Dhamma is mostly controlled by Kamma. Following Dhamma gradually nullifies Karma Vipaka. It is because the person is doing another great Kamma: the Noble Eightfold Path! it's return is complete elimination of certain Kamma Vipaka (in different levels). For example a person attaining Sothapathi state will have all Kamma that gives returns in Niraya (hell) nullified; that's why the person become free from birth in Niraya. Kamma Sutta (please find the Deshana by Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnananananda Thero at [URL="http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/sinhala/080_Kamma_Sutta.mp3"]http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/sinhala/080_Kamma_Sutta.mp3[/URL] ) gives more insight to this. In general Samsaraic existence is Dhukkha (suffering). A being tends to spend most of its existence in worlds of suffering. And what we expereice as Sukha (e.g. pleasures, happiness) becomes Dukkha at some point of time, because of impermanence (Anithya nature). Another important point is that there's nothing we can consider as self (Athma). In other words there is noting we can control forever as oneself! Therefore Anithya, Dhukkha, Anathma characterizes existence of any being (whether in hell, heaven...). That's why one should think about ending this existence; and start developing oneself according to the Path. We have to keep on learning Dhamma (called: Sadhdharma Shrawanaya); keep on maintaining our thinking accordingly (called: Yoniso Manasikara); and keep on adopting them to what we practice (called: Dhammanudamma Patipada). Path to Nibbana is causal (see Upanisa Sutta); and it will gradually grow in us. So what we have to do it start; and keep to the path. As we develop in Dhamma we will realize the Truth; and the questions we have will be no longer there. Hope my post addresses your concerns at least partially... Theruwan saranai! [/QUOTE]
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