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<blockquote data-quote="AncientGlory" data-source="post: 12355208" data-attributes="member: 262433"><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">You are right. In this sense free will will not invalidate omnipotence. I have made a mistake. It invalidates omnimax nature as a whole when coupled with the theory of intelligent design.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">omnipotence it seems depends on what you define as a possible and impossible thing. GOD created sun and by the time of creation he knows it is gonna die in 9billion years or so. Can he change the course of sun and make it live another 9billion? Is it a possible thing? If he is gonna change it is he invalidating his own omnipresence and omniscient nature?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">It is important to notice that Coldbreath in his original claim said "All knowing and Almighty" GOD invalidates free will. I was addressing that topic and somehow was under the impression maybe I was talking about an omnimax GOD. That was wrong for me to do so in my part.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I agree with you, free will will not validate omnipotence nature itself. However I was addressing the point you made saying "omnipotence does not invalidate free will given the reason omnipotence means GOD can only do possible things". If you agree that omnipotence simply says that GOD can interfere with mortals actions why would it not invalidate free will? Can here implies a definite ability to interfere and therefore free will becomes false. I say mere non-interference of GOD is not a sufficient reason to believe fee will exists. GOD can choose to interfere anytime. If and only if one can say GOD will not interfere or cannot interfere then only the free will exists. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">However the point you brought earlier is valid. If GOD creates an agent with free will, interfering with his actions becomes and impossible task. In this case omnipotence will not invalidate free will because one of the most favorable definitions of omnipotence says, Ability to do every "possible" thing.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AncientGlory, post: 12355208, member: 262433"] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]You are right. In this sense free will will not invalidate omnipotence. I have made a mistake. It invalidates omnimax nature as a whole when coupled with the theory of intelligent design. omnipotence it seems depends on what you define as a possible and impossible thing. GOD created sun and by the time of creation he knows it is gonna die in 9billion years or so. Can he change the course of sun and make it live another 9billion? Is it a possible thing? If he is gonna change it is he invalidating his own omnipresence and omniscient nature? It is important to notice that Coldbreath in his original claim said "All knowing and Almighty" GOD invalidates free will. I was addressing that topic and somehow was under the impression maybe I was talking about an omnimax GOD. That was wrong for me to do so in my part.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]I agree with you, free will will not validate omnipotence nature itself. However I was addressing the point you made saying "omnipotence does not invalidate free will given the reason omnipotence means GOD can only do possible things". If you agree that omnipotence simply says that GOD can interfere with mortals actions why would it not invalidate free will? Can here implies a definite ability to interfere and therefore free will becomes false. I say mere non-interference of GOD is not a sufficient reason to believe fee will exists. GOD can choose to interfere anytime. If and only if one can say GOD will not interfere or cannot interfere then only the free will exists. However the point you brought earlier is valid. If GOD creates an agent with free will, interfering with his actions becomes and impossible task. In this case omnipotence will not invalidate free will because one of the most favorable definitions of omnipotence says, Ability to do every "possible" thing. [/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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