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<blockquote data-quote="ela_eluwa120" data-source="post: 12361236" data-attributes="member: 193664"><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">God is, by definition, said to be omnipotent, and therefore it entails that God can interfere with what a mortal does, even when a mortal <em>freely</em> initiates his actions. However, the very idea of omnipotence of God says nothing about whether or not God does interfere with what a mortal does. So, we can not conclude <em>a priori </em>that God interferes with mortals' actions and there by, according to you, removing the free-will of mortals.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">When it comes to the question of whether or not God does interfere with mortals' actions, the possibility is, after all, open and fifty-fifty. But, </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>what if</em> God does interfere with mortals' actions? Does it mean that mortals do not have free-will? I think, no.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Coconut trees usually lean towards the ocean as you have seen when driving along the Galle road. However, coconut trees, themselves, by their free-will, do not choose to lean towards the ocean. Coconut trees do not have the free-will to lean towards the land side, as opposed to the ocean. But, </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>if</em> coconut trees have the free-will to lean towards the land side, they are very well to do so. Nothing prevents them from doing it. (Here, we are, for the sake of argument, assuming that no body cuts down the land side leaning coconut trees)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The point is, coconut trees do not have the <em>metaphysical freedom</em> to choose or decide for which side they are leaning. But, they have the <em>circumstantial freedom</em> in the sense that if they can choose to lean towards either side, nothing prevents them from doing it.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Having circumstantial freedom means "if you have the free-will to do X, you can do X." But, as you can clearly see it, this sentence says nothing about whether the "if clause" is true or false.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In ordinary discourse, when we say "free-will", we really mean the metaphysical freedom. So, when God interfere and prevents us from doing what we <em>choose to</em> do, he is really eliminating our circumstantial freedom, not our free-will. When God interfere, he is merely preventing us from exercising our free-will, he is not removing our free-will. Free-will is there eventhough we can not exercise it.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ela_eluwa120, post: 12361236, member: 193664"] [FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3]God is, by definition, said to be omnipotent, and therefore it entails that God can interfere with what a mortal does, even when a mortal [I]freely[/I] initiates his actions. However, the very idea of omnipotence of God says nothing about whether or not God does interfere with what a mortal does. So, we can not conclude [I]a priori [/I]that God interferes with mortals' actions and there by, according to you, removing the free-will of mortals. When it comes to the question of whether or not God does interfere with mortals' actions, the possibility is, after all, open and fifty-fifty. But, [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3][I]what if[/I] God does interfere with mortals' actions? Does it mean that mortals do not have free-will? I think, no. Coconut trees usually lean towards the ocean as you have seen when driving along the Galle road. However, coconut trees, themselves, by their free-will, do not choose to lean towards the ocean. Coconut trees do not have the free-will to lean towards the land side, as opposed to the ocean. But, [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3][I]if[/I] coconut trees have the free-will to lean towards the land side, they are very well to do so. Nothing prevents them from doing it. (Here, we are, for the sake of argument, assuming that no body cuts down the land side leaning coconut trees) The point is, coconut trees do not have the [I]metaphysical freedom[/I] to choose or decide for which side they are leaning. But, they have the [I]circumstantial freedom[/I] in the sense that if they can choose to lean towards either side, nothing prevents them from doing it. Having circumstantial freedom means "if you have the free-will to do X, you can do X." But, as you can clearly see it, this sentence says nothing about whether the "if clause" is true or false. In ordinary discourse, when we say "free-will", we really mean the metaphysical freedom. So, when God interfere and prevents us from doing what we [I]choose to[/I] do, he is really eliminating our circumstantial freedom, not our free-will. When God interfere, he is merely preventing us from exercising our free-will, he is not removing our free-will. Free-will is there eventhough we can not exercise it. [/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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