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Message: <blockquote data-quote="yasas bandara" data-source="post: 20126405" data-attributes="member: 246044">1.    I’m talking about the way they (TV guys) handled one of the most important scenes of the story. My argument may not apply to the books due to several reasons. In the books, we know what Ned is thinking. His reflections, thoughts are part of the story. We know that he may have suspected (or knew) the truth about Rhagan+Lyanna BEFORE he came to the Tower (Lyanna saying Robert may never be satisfied with one woman etc.). Still, those are just speculations. In the TV series, this is what happens – a handfull of dudes on the back of horses come to the middle of nowhere. They meet two other dudes clad in mail, armed to the teeth and one of them happens to be the greatest fighter alive. It’s very clear that several dudes are going to die from this battle. The weird thing is, no one knows what/who the Knights are protecting and even weirder, no one wants to know! No one even cares to ask why. It is almost like they’ve already agreed to kill each other no matter what. That’s disappointing because these are not some ordinary cutthroats we come across but a few of the most honorable characters of the story. This TV show already has a reputation for butchering good characters (Ex- Ser Lores).  And “Why?” is a very important question. If it’s a person they’re protecting, it can’t be Lyanna because obviously her own brother is not here to kill her. Did the prince say “Don’t worry about me. Just stay here and kill whoever coming looking for her, even her own brother”? Does that even make sense? Clearly, these guys are not guarding Lyanna.So, what the #&*# are these guys protecting? If I’m a member of Ned’s team, I’d like to know WHY I’m risking my neck before locking swords with Ser Dayne.You don’t get to play this card in the TV show. Jamie already went through that (This is a plus point to the show). You take an oath when you become a Knight. Your duties as a kingsguard DOES NOT free you from that oath. So when the mad king orders to kill thousands on innocents, Jamie kills the guy and the king who’s responsible. He breaks one oath to protect another. Then he keeps the whole matter a secret to protect another oath (in the text, he kills everyone responsible one at a time).So if Lyanna died due to lack of medical support (there was no Maester), Ser Dayne and the others were responsible (not some guy rotting in a grave who gave the order). THEY are holding her.2.    Robert ordered Barriston to be treated and he explained why. This reasoning is clearly valid for others. So why can’t Ned even try talking to Ser Dayne? He’s asking for his own blood, his own sister. He may not care for the kingsguard but he cares for his men. Why risk their lives pointlessly?And you’re right about Sir Barriston. He was sad for many things. First of all he got his ass handed over to him by some boy who’s not a true warrior (Rhagan) and that started this whole mess. Even before that, the finest moment of Sir Barriston’s life was saving the mad king’s life against all odds. How many thousands died for that? If Barriston had done nothing, Rhagan would be the king and he’d be a good one. There’s no coming back from that one.3.    According to the text, Ser Dayne would have killed Ned if not for Reed. So, we assume Reed killed him. That’s not a surprise because Reed is not exactly “ordinary”. Also these unorthodox methods can bring a Knight down (Ser Barriston’s observations on Dotharaki weapons). It’s more logical to assume that Reed used a net to gain the upper hand. And to those who think it’s wrong to kill Dayne by stabbing on the back (as per last episode) – Dayne stood between a brother and a sister for no apparent reason and wanted to kill the brother. What kind of a knight would kill a brother to prevent him seeing his own sister?He deserved to be killed. Also, he was well protected under the mail and was wearing the full suit. Attacking from behind makes sense and is justified. </blockquote>

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