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Message: <blockquote data-quote="yasas bandara" data-source="post: 20130683" data-attributes="member: 246044">1. About what happen in the text (this is a dream Ned’s having. Details may not be complete.) – In the beginning, Ser Dayne had a sad smile on his lips. The conversation that follows is mature and intelligent. Not a single drop of hatred or contempt displayed. Ned recalls a series of events where he hints the options they have (the options others took). First one is to bend the knee. Dayne says theirs don’t bend easily. The second option is to walk away (or run away). Others say it won’t do. They don’t flee. So the only option left is to kill each other. Finally there’s sadness in Ned’s voice when he says “Now it ends”. Each respects the other and accepts his own role and that of the other. They know why they have to kill each other (“We swore a vow,” explained old Ser Gerold) and it has nothing to do with whatever they’re hiding (the same thing will happen to anyone loyal to Robert crossing paths with those three Knights). The conversation we saw in the last episode was nothing like this. It was immature and hatred/contempt was clearly displayed. This is not something we expect from these characters.2. About Honor vs. Morality – this is a central theme of the story.Book : - Jaime reached for the flagon to refill his cup. "So many vows...they make you swear and swear. Defend the king. Obey the king. Keep his secrets. Do his bidding. Your life for his. But obey your father. Love your sister. Protect the innocent. Defend the weak. Respect the gods. Obey the laws. It's too much. No matter what you do, you're forsaking one vow or the other.”TV Series – “Tell me, if your precious Renly commanded you to kill your own father and stand by while thousands of men, women, and children burned alive, would you have done it? Would you have kept your oath then?”You have provided an answer to the above question. According to you, a kingsguard is a mindless killing machine without morals. If he were a Knight before he joined, his kingsguard oaths will replace the original oaths he took. If the king says “kill the innocent”, you have to do so because your initial oaths don’t mean s#it now. Is this really your opinion? 3. Howland Reed's role in Dayne's death - In a memory of his father, Bran Stark recalls his father Eddard describing Arthur as the finest knight he ever saw, and elaborates further that Arthur would have killed him if not for Howland Reed.(A Clash of Kings, Chapter 21, Bran III.)So, another failure here. In the TV series Ned, the embodiment of honour, is a liar who says (or let others believe) that he defeated Ser Dayne.As I said before, the series has a reputation for ruining good characters.</blockquote>

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