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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Alucard_SxE" data-source="post: 20133550" data-attributes="member: 531919">I can't argue with you here since I don't watch the show. I can't argue against or correct the facts of the show cause of the above reason but I'll answer about what you've stated of the books This is from the second book "A Clash of Kings" Throughout the story, Jaime becomes much more different than the person who says this particular quote. Specially he becomes a much more humbler person when he's helpless with a sword since losing his sword hand & also after becoming the commander of the kingsguard. What I've quoted in the previous post is after the quote you posted. Specially in "A feast of Crows & A Dance with Dragons".Since this turning of Jaime, I think he'll play a much bigger role in the upcoming books. Specially because he thinks much more vividly now. He's not the person said the same words you quoted. (But they are right)I didn't say that. What I'm saying is protecting the king & obeying the kings word does come above anything else. At least most of the time. There have been historical incidents in westeros before, where we see the kingsguard fighting against each other and similar events where they betray their oaths. I'll mention those events in my thread.But the honour is what counts here. AND AS I'VE STATED AS BEFORE, EDDARD IS AN ENEMY TO THEM. IN THE TOWER OF JOY. EDDARD IS WITH THE USURPER WHICH MAKES HIM AN ENEMY. THE KINGSGUARD CANNOT CHOOSE A SIDE BECAUSE THEIR OATH BOUND THEM TO THE KINGS SIDE. AT LEAST THAT'S WHERE THE HONOR OF THAT KNIGHT COUNTS.People like roose bolton, Walder Frey are the reason why starks got weakened to the brink of extinction. Because their words didn't mean shit. What if that's the case with the kingsguard too. A kingsguard which even the king can't trust? There is no point right? The honour counts a lot.Whatever the reason they guarded the tower and by whose order (there's no mention about who gives the order. It should be Rhaegar I think. Asking his father to appoint them to the task) they obeyed it till their deaths because they are bound by honor. And Eddard was the enemy to them.I read that specific part right now to be sure <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/D.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D" data-shortname=":D" /> Yeah it is stated by not stated that Reed backstabbed him or anything. But maybe guarded or deflected a blow. No point in arguing about this since the event is not totally clear in the booksMaybe so. I don't defend the TV show. <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/happy.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Happy    :)" data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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