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<blockquote data-quote="yasas bandara" data-source="post: 20143385" data-attributes="member: 246044"><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue">From A Strom of Swords:</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">“Everything was done in the utmost secrecy by a handful of master pyromancers. They did not even trust their own acolytes to help. The queen’s eyes had been closed for years, and Rhaegar was busy marshaling an army. But Aerys’s new mace-and-dagger Hand was not utterly stupid, and with Rossart, Belis, and Garigus coming and going night and day, he became suspicious. Chelsted, that was his name, Lord Chelsted.” It had come back to him suddenly, with the telling. <strong><span style="color: DarkRed">“I’d thought the man craven, but the day he confronted Aerys he found some courage somewhere. He did all he could to dissuade him. He reasoned, he jested, he threatened, and finally he begged. When that failed he took off his chain of office and flung it down on the floor. Aerys burnt him alive for that,</span></strong> and hung his chain about the neck of Rossart, his favorite pyromancer. The man who had cooked Lord Rickard Stark in his own armor. And all the time, <strong><span style="color: DarkRed">I stood by the foot of the Iron Throne in my white plate, still as a corpse, guarding my liege and all his sweet secrets.</span></strong> <strong><span style="color: DarkRed">My Sworn Brothers were all away, you see,</span></strong> ------</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">----- “It fell to me to hold the Red Keep, but I knew we were lost. I sent to Aerys asking his leave to make terms. My man came back with a royal command. ‘Bring me your father’s head, if you are no traitor.’ <strong><span style="color: DarkRed">Aerys would have no yielding. Lord Rossart was with him, my messenger said.</span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><span style="color: DarkRed">I knew what that meant.</span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">“When I came on Rossart, he was dressed as a common man-at-arms, hurrying to a postern gate. I slew him first. <span style="color: DarkRed"><strong>Then I slew Aerys, before he could find someone else to carry his message to the pyromancers.</strong></span> <strong><span style="color: DarkRed">Days later, I hunted down the others and slew them as well.</span></strong> Belis offered me gold, and Garigus wept for mercy. Well, a sword’s more merciful than fire, but I don’t think Garigus much appreciated the kindness I showed him.” ------</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">------“Has my tale turned you speechless? Come, curse me or kiss me or call me a liar. Something.”</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><span style="color: DarkRed">“If this is true, how is it no one knows?”</span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><span style="color: DarkRed">“The knights of the Kingsguard are sworn to keep the king’s secrets. Would you have me break my oath?”</span></strong> Jaime laughed. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue">So Jaime was the <u><strong>only kingsguard</strong></u> who knew about this whole plan and the people involved. When he knew that mad king was not going to surrender (and Lord Rossart with him) he knew what's gonna happen.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue">1. He killed Rossart to stop the destruction and mass murder. <u><strong>He stood by the oath he took initially when he became a Knight.</strong></u></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue">2. He killed the king before he could pass the order to another. <strong><u>He broke this one oath because there was no other choice.</u></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue">3. <u><strong>He told no one because he was bound by the oath.</strong></u> <strong><u>It was not necessary to break this one.</u></strong> So he honoured it <span style="color: DarkRed">till he got fed up with others judging him/kingslayer shit.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue">4. He secretly killed the others so that the secret would die with them (also who knows what orders were given before mad king died?) </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue">It seems to me that he cared a lot about oaths. But you're still saying that what he did was wrong. You're resolved to judge him based on this one oath he broke (to save thousands of lives).</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue">Your argument doesn't make any sense because </span><strong><span style="color: DarkRed">e</span></strong></span><strong><span style="color: DarkRed">ach and every word you say is equally true regarding the initial oaths they took when they became Knights.</span></strong> Please clearly state your argument. Which of these statement is correct?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue">1. A Kingsguard has to honour all Vows he take. All that I have said is equally true regarding those vows.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue">2. </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue">A Kingsguard does not have to honour all the Vows he take. He only has to honour the vows he take after he became a kingsguard. All that I have said is true regarding kingsguard vows but not valid for others vows related to Knighthood.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue">And if you choose 2, is there any evidence from the text to justify that?</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></span> </span> </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="yasas bandara, post: 20143385, member: 246044"] [SIZE=3] [COLOR=Blue]From A Strom of Swords:[/COLOR] “Everything was done in the utmost secrecy by a handful of master pyromancers. They did not even trust their own acolytes to help. The queen’s eyes had been closed for years, and Rhaegar was busy marshaling an army. But Aerys’s new mace-and-dagger Hand was not utterly stupid, and with Rossart, Belis, and Garigus coming and going night and day, he became suspicious. Chelsted, that was his name, Lord Chelsted.” It had come back to him suddenly, with the telling. [B][COLOR=DarkRed]“I’d thought the man craven, but the day he confronted Aerys he found some courage somewhere. He did all he could to dissuade him. He reasoned, he jested, he threatened, and finally he begged. When that failed he took off his chain of office and flung it down on the floor. Aerys burnt him alive for that,[/COLOR][/B] and hung his chain about the neck of Rossart, his favorite pyromancer. The man who had cooked Lord Rickard Stark in his own armor. And all the time, [B][COLOR=DarkRed]I stood by the foot of the Iron Throne in my white plate, still as a corpse, guarding my liege and all his sweet secrets.[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=DarkRed]My Sworn Brothers were all away, you see,[/COLOR][/B] ------ ----- “It fell to me to hold the Red Keep, but I knew we were lost. I sent to Aerys asking his leave to make terms. My man came back with a royal command. ‘Bring me your father’s head, if you are no traitor.’ [B][COLOR=DarkRed]Aerys would have no yielding. Lord Rossart was with him, my messenger said. I knew what that meant.[/COLOR][/B] “When I came on Rossart, he was dressed as a common man-at-arms, hurrying to a postern gate. I slew him first. [COLOR=DarkRed][B]Then I slew Aerys, before he could find someone else to carry his message to the pyromancers.[/B][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=DarkRed]Days later, I hunted down the others and slew them as well.[/COLOR][/B] Belis offered me gold, and Garigus wept for mercy. Well, a sword’s more merciful than fire, but I don’t think Garigus much appreciated the kindness I showed him.” ------ ------“Has my tale turned you speechless? Come, curse me or kiss me or call me a liar. Something.” [B][COLOR=DarkRed]“If this is true, how is it no one knows?” “The knights of the Kingsguard are sworn to keep the king’s secrets. Would you have me break my oath?”[/COLOR][/B] Jaime laughed. [COLOR=Blue]So Jaime was the [U][B]only kingsguard[/B][/U] who knew about this whole plan and the people involved. When he knew that mad king was not going to surrender (and Lord Rossart with him) he knew what's gonna happen. 1. He killed Rossart to stop the destruction and mass murder. [U][B]He stood by the oath he took initially when he became a Knight.[/B][/U] 2. He killed the king before he could pass the order to another. [B][U]He broke this one oath because there was no other choice.[/U][/B] 3. [U][B]He told no one because he was bound by the oath.[/B][/U] [B][U]It was not necessary to break this one.[/U][/B] So he honoured it [COLOR=DarkRed]till he got fed up with others judging him/kingslayer shit.[/COLOR] 4. He secretly killed the others so that the secret would die with them (also who knows what orders were given before mad king died?) It seems to me that he cared a lot about oaths. But you're still saying that what he did was wrong. You're resolved to judge him based on this one oath he broke (to save thousands of lives). [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=Blue][SIZE=3][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/SIZE] [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=Blue][SIZE=3][COLOR=Blue]Your argument doesn't make any sense because [/COLOR][B][COLOR=DarkRed]e[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][B][COLOR=DarkRed]ach and every word you say is equally true regarding the initial oaths they took when they became Knights.[/COLOR][/B] Please clearly state your argument. Which of these statement is correct? 1. A Kingsguard has to honour all Vows he take. All that I have said is equally true regarding those vows. 2. [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=Blue][SIZE=3][COLOR=Blue]A Kingsguard does not have to honour all the Vows he take. He only has to honour the vows he take after he became a kingsguard. All that I have said is true regarding kingsguard vows but not valid for others vows related to Knighthood. And if you choose 2, is there any evidence from the text to justify that? [/COLOR][/SIZE] [/COLOR] [/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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