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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Alucard_SxE" data-source="post: 20143466" data-attributes="member: 531919">As I've stated previously being in the kingsguard is the highest, most notable thing a knight could achive in westeros.And I did not say either of the above. What I say is the vow that a knight take when he enters the kingsguard stands higher without a choosing.It's much more similar to being in the night's watch.For an instance technically when Jon became a person in the nights watch he isn't loyal to the starks. HE CAN'T BE LOYAL. HIS SERVICE IS TO THE NIGHT'S WATCH AND NIGHT'S WATCH ONLY. If the starks come seeking his help to defeat an enemy of them, he can't do so because he's breaking his vow. Say if a stark wanted to kill a commander of the watch saying he's bad or guilty of something and asks jon's help to do so, he cannot and he should not. BECAUSE IT'S NOT HIS PART TO PLAY. But if a stark seeks help of the watch (not for political reasons) then he can help and obliged to do so. (I don't know whether this made sense or not)But likewiseFor 1 & 2, Honouring a knights vow by a knight in the kingsguard does apply, but DOES NOT WHEN IT APPLIES CONSPIRING AGAINST THE KING OR HIS FAMILY THEY SWORE TO PROTECT. When that sort of thing appears, it's not their right to choose a side. They should always pick the side of the king.THAT IS THE KINGSGUARD. If they do to choose the other, then they are simply dishonouring their name, their' house name & what the Kingsguard stands for.And no. Jaime did not care about the oaths at all. Yes he did have an eye in everything, observing everything but no I don't agree with you.Good points.. but,1. Yes he killed rossart and did stop the destruction. Not mainly because of the vows. It was simply because it was insane & he was fed up of waiting and watching.2. Here if here cared tha much about the oaths then he should've captured Aerys and not kill him. As the king, he deserve a trial. And as a person of the kingsguard he does not have the right to kill the king.3. He does not go after fame or does not try to justify his actions. For the simple fact he does not care. He WAS a simple man with a small appetite. But loyal to the name lannister. If he cared then only for cersei and his family.4. But again it's not because of the vows. He knows about the plan because he was there with Areys when they were being made. So he goes and kills them cause they'd carry on with their plan.But it's not for the vows. Do you think for any moment, that at any point of killing rossart, aryes and the others.. he was thinking about saving the innocent men & women?? The it was his duty to protect them??No. But he does have some brains to him and sees the destruction and then again without thinking kills aryes. If he did thought properly about the VOWS you highlights this much then at least, he would've held aryes and not kill him for trial. And his actions did have consequences that he did not care about. Is that a knightly vow? Even then after all was finished, he atleast should've departed from the kingsguard since HE BROKE THAT VOW. And also knight or not he's guilty of killing a king. So did he care about his vow then??He did not care about any of the vows you mention of or did not respect them. He did all those things you said as any sane man would do at that time. If there was a sellsword guarding aryes at that point except for Jaime, he would've done the same. But what he should have done at that time was not kill aryes. Now if he did that, then there could be made an argument like yours. But he didn't think about the vows or the consequences of killing aryes.</blockquote>

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