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Message: <blockquote data-quote="yasas bandara" data-source="post: 20148533" data-attributes="member: 246044">This is interesting. You’re quoting from the TV series (which you don’t watch) when it serves your purpose. Why can’t you consider other conversations (found only in TV series) as well? For an example in the TV series, Jamie asks Brienne what she’d have done if her beloved Renley had asked her to watch while he murders thousands of innocent men, women and children. He asks “would you have kept your oath then?” to which Brienne has no answer to give. This conversation proves that he cared about others. I have quoted this before but you’ve ignored it. IMO there’s a lot of bias here.<img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/rolleyes.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Rolleyes    :rolleyes:" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />1.    In the canon, Jamie says that he did not say anything about the Mad King’s plan to burn everyone because of his oath (to keep his secrets). There is no conflicting evidence in the canon to prove otherwise (that is, no one who knows what happened is claiming otherwise). Brien never questions Jamie’s intentions but you’re claiming that Jamie did so because he didn’t care about anything. This is just your opinion/interpretation and there is no evidence in the canon to support this claim.2.    Your other claim:- “Jamie did not want to be a Knight”. Jamie clearly explains to Brienne that he earned his Knighthood. He explains how he won a tourney at a young age and how Ser Dayne Knighted him later. He’s proud of being a Knight and there is no evidence in the canon to support your claim that he did not want to become one.3.    From 1 and 2, it is logical to assume that Jamie seriously respected his vows as a Knight. He remembers all of them and explains that honouring all of them is not practical.4.    He spills the secrets about the Mad King mainly because he got fed up by being judged again and again by “people who’re not worthy” to judge him. This is his character development and we also see how his character changed after he lost the hand (as you’ve explained).5.    Killing Mad King vs. holding him :- This one is not a new argument. Commonly used against Jamie. Jamie says that he killed the King to stop him from passing the order to another. Could he have taken him prisoner instead? Maybe. However, if there were people around and if the King had shouted the order to one of them, Jamie could have been in trouble. Knocking him out could have been a valid option. Someone will eventually kill him later. (One of the arguments used here in favour of Jamie is that he may have actually believed that the Mad King could return from death. Unlikely in my opinion) I never said Jamie is perfect. He’s one of the most flawed characters.6.    There are other accusations you can use: what about the safety of King’s children? Who’s responsible for that?7.    He didn’t do anything about Lannister men killing and raping :- Not exactly true. He did ask the King’s permission to negotiate (could have saved some lives). As soon as he learnt who’s with the king, everything else became insignificant and he rushed to kill.8.   "He simply sat and stayed on the throne." :- Just after he killed the madman (clearly mentioned that he did not have time to hide), some of his father’s men came there to witness the "last of it" and he asks them to tell others to spare all those who surrender and hold them captive. He sat on the throne only after that. This proves that he cared and tried to stop the slaughter. Very biased statement again.9.    And if I remember correctly, only a very few people DID ANYTHING about “Lannister men killing and raping”. I mean seriously, that bitch of a woman “Lady” Stark arrested the imp and many many innocent people paid the price. Even the woman at the inn was hanged. Name me one character who said anything against this. “Lady” Stark didn’t feel any remorse at all. The only person who properly stood up against this was Ser Beric.10.    Pushing Brian – Done in order to save the lives of his children. That is 3 lives against one. Horrible thing to do and even Cersei says it was not necessary (very rare instance of her softness). He's not perfect. Goes without saying.11.    The next one is “Jamie did not want to be a Kingsguard”. This one is supported in the cannon and I don’t dispute that. Jamie says that being a Kingsguard spoiled himAgain, this is a very bias statement. Does the Kinght's oath allow you to be a kinslayer? It asks you to obey your father. You're in the opinion that Kingsguard's oath MUST replace the former oath but you're avoiding saying it directly.So you're saying that any "sane man" would have  betrayed the king (these things count as betraying the king) under the  circumstances. Could a Kingsguard (ex- White Bull, Ser Dayne) have done  so? You already claimed that they can't betray the King or take sides.  So if a Kingsguard goes by your argument and refrain from betraying the  king, that guy is not sane right? </blockquote>

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