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<blockquote data-quote="Y2K" data-source="post: 10744375" data-attributes="member: 35049"><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>The Qur'an is one man's ticket from mediocrity:[/B</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>]Once begun, the Qur'an took on a "life" of its own, because Muhammad saw how it magnified himself to a powerful position in front of his band of murderous robber followers. The Qur'an is also one uneducated man's (Muhammad) feeble attempt to piece together Christian and Jewish theology. Throwing about pieces of his limited knowledge of what he learned about the Christian and Jewish religions provided Muhammad a way to elevate himself further in front of his listeners. Ample evidence suggests that before Muhammad began raping, murdering and pillaging for profit, he was viewed as a lunatic, especially by Jews, Christians, Medina and Mecca Arabs, and Hindus. The Jews professed disgust at a prophet whose chief concern was his harem of many wives. The majority of Jews, however, suffered Muhammad's wrath when they refused to join his terrorist band of Muslims - mainly because the Jews could not reconcile their fundamental belief which is backed up in Scripture. That is, that God would never send a prophet who was a descendent of Ishmael instead of one from the line of Isaac. God had already made His choice to make a covenant with Isaac and his people. </strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>During his early 13 years of preaching his message in Mecca, Muhammad was not driven toward violence. He was also in fact tolerant and cooperative; even in the face of boycotts by the Meccans against him and his new converts. After Muhammad moved to Medina, however, Muhammad turned into a violent, cruel, lustful and intolerant man, who personally led raids on innocent caravans. Beginning in Medina, Muhammad spread Islam militarily. Muhammad accompanied his terrorist army on 27 raids . Muhammad, the warrior non-prophet who made no prophecies, fought himself in 9 of these raids: Badr, al-Mustaliq, Hunayn, Uhud, al-Khandaq, Qurayza, Khaybar, al-Ta'if, and the occupation. </strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>Muhammad's early attempts to unite with Christians and Jews were not successful</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>Because Muhammad thought the "People of the Book" (Jews & Christians) also claimed allegiance to this same God he invented, Muhammad's early recitations about Christianity and Judaism in the Qur'an were irenic (Tending to promote peace; conciliatory):</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong></strong></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>"O believers, be you God's helpers, as Jesus, Mary's son, said to the Apostles. 'Who will be my helpers unto God?' The Apostles said, 'We will be helpers of God' " (Surah 61:14).</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong></strong></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>When Muhammad started preaching his new religion in Mecca he was conciliatory and appeasing to Christians. He told them: "We believe in What has been sent down to us and sent down to you, our God is the same as your God." Surah 29:46. And in Surah 2:62 it says; "Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. "</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>Christians and Jews in Muhammad's time treated Muhammad as a False Prophet:</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>Later, as Christians and Jews treated this self proclaimed prophet with sustain, recitations regarding the "People of the Book" (both Jews and Christians) became more belligerent:</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>Compare this with what happened later, in Medina, after Muhammad gained strength and Christians refused to follow Muhammad's Allah. Allah then tells him to "Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day...Nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam), (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay Jizya (tribute tax) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued". Surah 9:29</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>"And the Jews say: Uzair (possibly Ezra) is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; " (Surah 9:30); and</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>(The difficulty with Surah 9:30 above is with Uzair/Ezra, is the fact that no historical evidence can be adduced to prove that any Jewish sect, however heterodox, ever subscribed to such a tenet. What grounds were there for the accusation? It is probably a figment of Mohammed's own imagination.)</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." (Surah 5:51).</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>Are the following words what one might expect to hear from an all-knowing, benevolent deity? Or, are they the words one might expect from an Arab terrorist who needs to discipline his marauding troops today - and even in the 7th century (Muhammad)?</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>- Surah 5.38 "And (as for) the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise."</strong></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Y2K, post: 10744375, member: 35049"] [SIZE="4"][B]The Qur'an is one man's ticket from mediocrity:[/B ]Once begun, the Qur'an took on a "life" of its own, because Muhammad saw how it magnified himself to a powerful position in front of his band of murderous robber followers. The Qur'an is also one uneducated man's (Muhammad) feeble attempt to piece together Christian and Jewish theology. Throwing about pieces of his limited knowledge of what he learned about the Christian and Jewish religions provided Muhammad a way to elevate himself further in front of his listeners. Ample evidence suggests that before Muhammad began raping, murdering and pillaging for profit, he was viewed as a lunatic, especially by Jews, Christians, Medina and Mecca Arabs, and Hindus. The Jews professed disgust at a prophet whose chief concern was his harem of many wives. The majority of Jews, however, suffered Muhammad's wrath when they refused to join his terrorist band of Muslims - mainly because the Jews could not reconcile their fundamental belief which is backed up in Scripture. That is, that God would never send a prophet who was a descendent of Ishmael instead of one from the line of Isaac. God had already made His choice to make a covenant with Isaac and his people. During his early 13 years of preaching his message in Mecca, Muhammad was not driven toward violence. He was also in fact tolerant and cooperative; even in the face of boycotts by the Meccans against him and his new converts. After Muhammad moved to Medina, however, Muhammad turned into a violent, cruel, lustful and intolerant man, who personally led raids on innocent caravans. Beginning in Medina, Muhammad spread Islam militarily. Muhammad accompanied his terrorist army on 27 raids . Muhammad, the warrior non-prophet who made no prophecies, fought himself in 9 of these raids: Badr, al-Mustaliq, Hunayn, Uhud, al-Khandaq, Qurayza, Khaybar, al-Ta'if, and the occupation. Muhammad's early attempts to unite with Christians and Jews were not successful Because Muhammad thought the "People of the Book" (Jews & Christians) also claimed allegiance to this same God he invented, Muhammad's early recitations about Christianity and Judaism in the Qur'an were irenic (Tending to promote peace; conciliatory): "O believers, be you God's helpers, as Jesus, Mary's son, said to the Apostles. 'Who will be my helpers unto God?' The Apostles said, 'We will be helpers of God' " (Surah 61:14). When Muhammad started preaching his new religion in Mecca he was conciliatory and appeasing to Christians. He told them: "We believe in What has been sent down to us and sent down to you, our God is the same as your God." Surah 29:46. And in Surah 2:62 it says; "Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. " Christians and Jews in Muhammad's time treated Muhammad as a False Prophet: Later, as Christians and Jews treated this self proclaimed prophet with sustain, recitations regarding the "People of the Book" (both Jews and Christians) became more belligerent: Compare this with what happened later, in Medina, after Muhammad gained strength and Christians refused to follow Muhammad's Allah. Allah then tells him to "Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day...Nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam), (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay Jizya (tribute tax) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued". Surah 9:29 "And the Jews say: Uzair (possibly Ezra) is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; " (Surah 9:30); and (The difficulty with Surah 9:30 above is with Uzair/Ezra, is the fact that no historical evidence can be adduced to prove that any Jewish sect, however heterodox, ever subscribed to such a tenet. What grounds were there for the accusation? It is probably a figment of Mohammed's own imagination.) "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." (Surah 5:51). Are the following words what one might expect to hear from an all-knowing, benevolent deity? Or, are they the words one might expect from an Arab terrorist who needs to discipline his marauding troops today - and even in the 7th century (Muhammad)? - Surah 5.38 "And (as for) the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise."[/B][/SIZE][B][/b] [/QUOTE]
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