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<blockquote data-quote="hafizsaad" data-source="post: 6787472" data-attributes="member: 153303"><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">brother you dont try to read complete what i have posted..You have selected some sentense like"problem of evil"and start commenting on it whithout read the whole i says. I again suggest read again to clear other point, only one point is newly arise that is second paragraph.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I request you read completly if you want to know the situation.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u>is God is evil (shaitan) as he Created Evil </u></strong><u>(nauzu billah)</u></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"> it is sure evil (thing unfavourable to us) also created by Allah.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">“Allah created all things, and he is the agent, upon which, all things depend. And Allah created you and whatever you do.” (Surah 39, verse 62)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">he has created evil and good just to test who will select evil path (shaitan path) and who remain righteous.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from Error; whoever rejects Evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.Quran (2,256)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Black">6:153 Verily, this is My way, leading straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) path: thus doth He command you. that ye may be righteous. </span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong> but again i repeat it is just to test who will remain righteous in between.</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"> </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">evil concept in islam is in very vast sense that include sometime plessuring thing also as per situation...any thing related to man which can harm men here and hereafter like his sin, wealth use bad way etc. so the test is not only in facing the evil, <strong>the </strong></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Testing may also be in the form of blessings, wealth, health, knowledge, children, family, security, peace…etc</strong>. how he has used these blessings in the world is a great test. The test may also be given, by testing us by one another. The true believers submit to God in all cases and under all circumstances.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">We will surely test you through some fear, hunger, and loss of money, lives, and crops. Give good news to the steadfast. [2:155]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">You should know that your money and your children are a test, and that GOD possesses a great recompense. [8:28]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">“Or do you think that you will enter Heaven without being tested like those who were tested before you? ” [Holy Quran 2:214]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">World is the place of test, heaven is the place of Reward for the believers. Problem and difficulties are for test. Heaven is place of blessing and rewards from Allah after the succeeding in these tests ...The people of heaven will praise Allah and thank to Allah who has saved them from Hell and given reward to them for the difficulties they face in life and remain righteous, But this is also not necessary to Praise, in heaven. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u>why test if Allah is all knowing:</u></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Now you have asked if Allah is all knowing then why test. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Mean Allah has shown both way to human being Good and Bad and give open authority and power to check and select. Now again this cant harm his knowing power.he know all before and after.read below completly to avoid any misunderstanding</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>More logically</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Allaah does not admit people to Paradise or Hell simply because He knows that they deserve that, rather He will admit them to Paradise or Hell on the basis of the deeds that they actually did in this world. If Allaah created mankind and put them in His Hell, they would soon argue that He did not test them or give them the chance to strive. Allaah wanted to refute this argument, so He created them in this world and gave them reason and free will and choice, and revealed His Books, and sent His Messengers; all of that is so that they will have no argument against Allaah on the Day of Resurrection. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">“Messengers as bearers of good news as well as of warning in order that mankind should have no plea against Allaah after the (coming of) Messengers. And Allaah is Ever All‑Powerful, All‑Wise”</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">[al-Nisa’ 4:165]. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In this aayah it clearly states that it is essential to leave no excuse for anyone, by sending the Messengers who give glad tidings of Paradise to those who obey them and give warning of Hell to those who disobey them. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">This excuse is completely ruled out here by the sending of the Messengers with glad tidings and warnings, as is stated at the end of Soorah Ta-Ha where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">“And if We had destroyed them with a torment before this (i.e. Messenger Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم and the Qur’aan), <span style="color: DarkRed">they would surely, have said: ‘Our Lord! If only You had sent us a Messenger, we should certainly have followed Your Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), before we were humiliated and disgraced’”</span> [Ta-Ha 20:134]. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">It is also referred to in Soorah al-Qasas where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">“And if (We had) not (sent you to the people of Makkah) __ in case a calamity should seize them for (the deeds) that their hands have sent forth, they would have said: <span style="color: DarkRed">‘Our Lord! Why did You not send us a Messenger? We would then have followed Your Ayaat (Verses of the Qur’aan) and would have been among the believers’”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 12px">[al-Qasas 28:47].</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Franklin Gothic Medium'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Brother i hope i will not be required to answer more comments if you read complete all above and my before posts. Please dont make it like a win, lose war point. we just want to clear the misunderstandings.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hafizsaad, post: 6787472, member: 153303"] [FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][SIZE=3]brother you dont try to read complete what i have posted..You have selected some sentense like"problem of evil"and start commenting on it whithout read the whole i says. I again suggest read again to clear other point, only one point is newly arise that is second paragraph. I request you read completly if you want to know the situation. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][SIZE=3][B][U]is God is evil (shaitan) as he Created Evil [/U][/B][U](nauzu billah)[/U] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][SIZE=3] it is sure evil (thing unfavourable to us) also created by Allah. “Allah created all things, and he is the agent, upon which, all things depend. And Allah created you and whatever you do.” (Surah 39, verse 62)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][SIZE=3] he has created evil and good just to test who will select evil path (shaitan path) and who remain righteous. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][SIZE=3]Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from Error; whoever rejects Evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.Quran (2,256) [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][SIZE=3][COLOR=Black]6:153 Verily, this is My way, leading straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) path: thus doth He command you. that ye may be righteous. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][SIZE=3] [B] but again i repeat it is just to test who will remain righteous in between.[/B] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][SIZE=3]evil concept in islam is in very vast sense that include sometime plessuring thing also as per situation...any thing related to man which can harm men here and hereafter like his sin, wealth use bad way etc. so the test is not only in facing the evil, [B]the [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][SIZE=3][B]Testing may also be in the form of blessings, wealth, health, knowledge, children, family, security, peace…etc[/B]. how he has used these blessings in the world is a great test. The test may also be given, by testing us by one another. The true believers submit to God in all cases and under all circumstances. We will surely test you through some fear, hunger, and loss of money, lives, and crops. Give good news to the steadfast. [2:155] You should know that your money and your children are a test, and that GOD possesses a great recompense. [8:28] “Or do you think that you will enter Heaven without being tested like those who were tested before you? ” [Holy Quran 2:214] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][SIZE=3]World is the place of test, heaven is the place of Reward for the believers. Problem and difficulties are for test. Heaven is place of blessing and rewards from Allah after the succeeding in these tests ...The people of heaven will praise Allah and thank to Allah who has saved them from Hell and given reward to them for the difficulties they face in life and remain righteous, But this is also not necessary to Praise, in heaven. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][SIZE=3][B][U]why test if Allah is all knowing:[/U][/B] Now you have asked if Allah is all knowing then why test. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][SIZE=3]Mean Allah has shown both way to human being Good and Bad and give open authority and power to check and select. Now again this cant harm his knowing power.he know all before and after.read below completly to avoid any misunderstanding [B]More logically[/B] Allaah does not admit people to Paradise or Hell simply because He knows that they deserve that, rather He will admit them to Paradise or Hell on the basis of the deeds that they actually did in this world. If Allaah created mankind and put them in His Hell, they would soon argue that He did not test them or give them the chance to strive. Allaah wanted to refute this argument, so He created them in this world and gave them reason and free will and choice, and revealed His Books, and sent His Messengers; all of that is so that they will have no argument against Allaah on the Day of Resurrection. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Messengers as bearers of good news as well as of warning in order that mankind should have no plea against Allaah after the (coming of) Messengers. And Allaah is Ever All‑Powerful, All‑Wise” [al-Nisa’ 4:165]. In this aayah it clearly states that it is essential to leave no excuse for anyone, by sending the Messengers who give glad tidings of Paradise to those who obey them and give warning of Hell to those who disobey them. This excuse is completely ruled out here by the sending of the Messengers with glad tidings and warnings, as is stated at the end of Soorah Ta-Ha where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And if We had destroyed them with a torment before this (i.e. Messenger Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم and the Qur’aan), [COLOR=DarkRed]they would surely, have said: ‘Our Lord! If only You had sent us a Messenger, we should certainly have followed Your Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), before we were humiliated and disgraced’”[/COLOR] [Ta-Ha 20:134]. It is also referred to in Soorah al-Qasas where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And if (We had) not (sent you to the people of Makkah) __ in case a calamity should seize them for (the deeds) that their hands have sent forth, they would have said: [COLOR=DarkRed]‘Our Lord! Why did You not send us a Messenger? We would then have followed Your Ayaat (Verses of the Qur’aan) and would have been among the believers’” [/COLOR] [al-Qasas 28:47].[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][SIZE=4]Brother i hope i will not be required to answer more comments if you read complete all above and my before posts. Please dont make it like a win, lose war point. we just want to clear the misunderstandings.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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