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<blockquote data-quote="Salafist" data-source="post: 17575814" data-attributes="member: 518589"><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Erm. First time i am hearing of something like this. I haven't experienced such talks in muslim circles here. I've only experienced "spread islam by example" talks in mosque..where we are told to emulate the perfect islamic example...so that others will watch and will be attracted towards it. And that's the only conspiracy..and is pretty obvious and open. No violence or compulsion involved. Personally I feel muslims shouldn't try to implement the sharia fully in countries where the majority aren't muslims. It's just absurd.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">But that said there might be some muslims having these ideas of taking over. There may be mosques that preach this kind of things..but I personally havent experienced this "taking over" stuff. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">In the friday prayers, the islamic lecture is kept apolitical..without any comments on politics of the country. But some people are unhappy with this and want the islamic speakers to talk more about politics..and their views on whom to support for the betterment of the muslim community.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">There is no explicit formular given in the Quran or other authoritative islamic texts in how to "take over" a country or anything. There is only a message of obligatory dawah (islamic preaching) and jihad as a defensive measure. Other than that very less is found. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Not any that I am aware of. I've not read any incident where Muhammed beat his wives..but I read about an incident where Muhammed's father-in-law beat his daughter for something. No wife-beating incidents are mentioned in the Quran but in the ahadeeth (islamic text/traditions of the prophet), we find incidences where women come to Muhammed complaining about their husbands.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">In the Quran there is no mention of the full face cover (niqab/burqa) for normal muslim women. This has been mentioned in other texts to be the practice of Muhammed's wives (who are the mothers of the believers). Muhammed never said that other muslim women should wear it, but some scholars have said it's better if a muslimah wears it. Some consider it an obligation (though it's nowhere explicitly stated in islamic texts). But most scholars consider it a recommended thing to do. Some reformist scholars have the opinion that muslim women shouldn't wear it in cultures where the veils are look down upon and/or considered a symbol of extremism. Nowadays in Sri lanka, the muslim women are given the choice of whether to wear it or not. They're always told to be better at modesty. If you don't wear hijab, then try to wear hijab. If you don't wear the veil, try to wear it. But there's no harm if you don't. We are told not to judge people by the clothes they wear. So just because a muslim women don't wear the hijab or burqa or niqab doesnt mean they are less religious. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">As for the hijab/headcover, it is explicitly stated in the ahadeeth that muslim women should cover the hair. Almost all islamic scholars consider it an obligation. But as for whether it's mentioned in the Quran, there's a debate.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">The Quran very clearly mentions that muslim women should cover their breasts/chests (in public). This is an order from Allah and if they don't do it, they are severely violating the Quran's words. The Quran says something like </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">"Tell the believing women to......they should draw their <strong>veils</strong> over their bosoms". Bosoms means breasts.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Now the Quran tells the women to draw their <strong>veils</strong>. Now the controversy arises on ....what is this <strong>veil</strong> mentioned in the Quran? Is it a full face cover? Only the head? Or what?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">To understand this, we have to understand the culture of the time this verse was sent. The arabic word used for veil here refers to a cloth worn by women at that time to cover the hair. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">So as you see, the Quran clearly mentions that the chest should be covered. As for the hair, there is a debate. Some say that since the <strong>veil</strong> was used to cover the hair, then muslim women should cover the hair as well. A few say that there is still no explicit command to cover the hair in the Quran...so even if you don't there is no sin or harm.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">As for the face, there is no mention whatsoever in the Quran. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">So we get an ikthilaaf here..which is a huge spectrum of islamic scholarly opinions on this. Personally I take the view of the shafi jurisprudence...that the face cover is not an obligation. And I am of the view that if something is not mentioned in the Quran, then if you don't follow it, it doesn't take you out of Islam or bring about any sin. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">The Quran is not a story book about Muhammed. It doesn't describe Muhammed's life. So you can't expect to find in it about Muhammed killing humans. But there is a call for battle in the Quran....verses revealed when the muslims were about to take part in war. Here there is explicit encouragement to kill/defeat the enemy, as any army should do.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">To understand this the right way, please bear in mind that the Quran wasn't published all at once or something. The Quran is a collection of direct revelation from God that Muhammed received over a period of 23 years, just like the Old testament was a collection of inspired text over a period of 2000 years.. So verses should be understood with their context. The Quran doesn't include context with the verses...the Old testament does.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Never heard of it. There is no rule on the amount of mosques or how many families should access a mosque or anything of that sort.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">A mosque is just a place where people will gather to pray. So you could have a tent or something...where people gather to pray and then call it a mosque. There's no big deal.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">But generally every muslim family should have access to a mosque. If there aren't any other muslim around then what can be done? How can you call a place a mosque then? So there should be a community living in the area. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">There is a rule in the friday prayers though. There should be 40+ people. And generally if a community can perform the friday prayers then they will try and build a masjid or something.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p></p><p>In Islam, it is prohibited to have sex with a women who is in her menses.</p><p>There is nothing mentioned of anything of that sort in the Quran. In other religious books there might be mentions...in fact I remember reading about some, But i wouldn't care. Sleeping with is onething, having sex is another thing. But why would I care if Muhammed had sex with his wives during their menses when Muhammed clearly told us not to? When Muhammed says something, we have to follow it. What Muhammed himself did is irrelevant in this case.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Salafist, post: 17575814, member: 518589"] [SIZE="4"] Erm. First time i am hearing of something like this. I haven't experienced such talks in muslim circles here. I've only experienced "spread islam by example" talks in mosque..where we are told to emulate the perfect islamic example...so that others will watch and will be attracted towards it. And that's the only conspiracy..and is pretty obvious and open. No violence or compulsion involved. Personally I feel muslims shouldn't try to implement the sharia fully in countries where the majority aren't muslims. It's just absurd. But that said there might be some muslims having these ideas of taking over. There may be mosques that preach this kind of things..but I personally havent experienced this "taking over" stuff. In the friday prayers, the islamic lecture is kept apolitical..without any comments on politics of the country. But some people are unhappy with this and want the islamic speakers to talk more about politics..and their views on whom to support for the betterment of the muslim community. There is no explicit formular given in the Quran or other authoritative islamic texts in how to "take over" a country or anything. There is only a message of obligatory dawah (islamic preaching) and jihad as a defensive measure. Other than that very less is found. Not any that I am aware of. I've not read any incident where Muhammed beat his wives..but I read about an incident where Muhammed's father-in-law beat his daughter for something. No wife-beating incidents are mentioned in the Quran but in the ahadeeth (islamic text/traditions of the prophet), we find incidences where women come to Muhammed complaining about their husbands. In the Quran there is no mention of the full face cover (niqab/burqa) for normal muslim women. This has been mentioned in other texts to be the practice of Muhammed's wives (who are the mothers of the believers). Muhammed never said that other muslim women should wear it, but some scholars have said it's better if a muslimah wears it. Some consider it an obligation (though it's nowhere explicitly stated in islamic texts). But most scholars consider it a recommended thing to do. Some reformist scholars have the opinion that muslim women shouldn't wear it in cultures where the veils are look down upon and/or considered a symbol of extremism. Nowadays in Sri lanka, the muslim women are given the choice of whether to wear it or not. They're always told to be better at modesty. If you don't wear hijab, then try to wear hijab. If you don't wear the veil, try to wear it. But there's no harm if you don't. We are told not to judge people by the clothes they wear. So just because a muslim women don't wear the hijab or burqa or niqab doesnt mean they are less religious. As for the hijab/headcover, it is explicitly stated in the ahadeeth that muslim women should cover the hair. Almost all islamic scholars consider it an obligation. But as for whether it's mentioned in the Quran, there's a debate. The Quran very clearly mentions that muslim women should cover their breasts/chests (in public). This is an order from Allah and if they don't do it, they are severely violating the Quran's words. The Quran says something like "Tell the believing women to......they should draw their [B]veils[/B] over their bosoms". Bosoms means breasts. Now the Quran tells the women to draw their [B]veils[/B]. Now the controversy arises on ....what is this [B]veil[/B] mentioned in the Quran? Is it a full face cover? Only the head? Or what? To understand this, we have to understand the culture of the time this verse was sent. The arabic word used for veil here refers to a cloth worn by women at that time to cover the hair. So as you see, the Quran clearly mentions that the chest should be covered. As for the hair, there is a debate. Some say that since the [B]veil[/B] was used to cover the hair, then muslim women should cover the hair as well. A few say that there is still no explicit command to cover the hair in the Quran...so even if you don't there is no sin or harm. As for the face, there is no mention whatsoever in the Quran. So we get an ikthilaaf here..which is a huge spectrum of islamic scholarly opinions on this. Personally I take the view of the shafi jurisprudence...that the face cover is not an obligation. And I am of the view that if something is not mentioned in the Quran, then if you don't follow it, it doesn't take you out of Islam or bring about any sin. The Quran is not a story book about Muhammed. It doesn't describe Muhammed's life. So you can't expect to find in it about Muhammed killing humans. But there is a call for battle in the Quran....verses revealed when the muslims were about to take part in war. Here there is explicit encouragement to kill/defeat the enemy, as any army should do. To understand this the right way, please bear in mind that the Quran wasn't published all at once or something. The Quran is a collection of direct revelation from God that Muhammed received over a period of 23 years, just like the Old testament was a collection of inspired text over a period of 2000 years.. So verses should be understood with their context. The Quran doesn't include context with the verses...the Old testament does. Never heard of it. There is no rule on the amount of mosques or how many families should access a mosque or anything of that sort. A mosque is just a place where people will gather to pray. So you could have a tent or something...where people gather to pray and then call it a mosque. There's no big deal. But generally every muslim family should have access to a mosque. If there aren't any other muslim around then what can be done? How can you call a place a mosque then? So there should be a community living in the area. There is a rule in the friday prayers though. There should be 40+ people. And generally if a community can perform the friday prayers then they will try and build a masjid or something. [/SIZE] In Islam, it is prohibited to have sex with a women who is in her menses. There is nothing mentioned of anything of that sort in the Quran. In other religious books there might be mentions...in fact I remember reading about some, But i wouldn't care. Sleeping with is onething, having sex is another thing. But why would I care if Muhammed had sex with his wives during their menses when Muhammed clearly told us not to? When Muhammed says something, we have to follow it. What Muhammed himself did is irrelevant in this case. [/QUOTE]
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