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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mononoke" data-source="post: 5721645" data-attributes="member: 238323">A scientific journal is not a popular science book they are two different things. Here is an actual journal article on the matter of plant neurology:<a href="http://www.blauen-institut.ch/tx_blu/tp/tpa/a_plant_neurobiology.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.blauen-institut.ch/tx_blu/tp/tpa/a_plant_neurobiology.pdf</a>I hope you see the difference. And even in our article all he has established is a response to stimuli. Shellfish respond to stimuli, but they don't feel pain.The bottom line is that plants do have a nervous system, but it is vastly different from ours.  It is almost impossible to draw parallels between animal consciousness and plant consciousness.They don't have brains, thus like bivalves they don't perceive pain. so the argument that plants are alive and feel just like humans is false. I think the vegetarian position is hypocritical, but not for these silly reasons. But for the simple fact that when humans engage in large scale agriculture we intentionally and unintentionally kill millions of animals by destroying already established eco systems, by using pesticide or by destroying our artificial eco systems  through processes like crop rotation. This planet has limited resources no matter how hard we try we can't make everybody happy. However, I have some respect for the Muslim method of killing animals. I think it is both humane and healthy.</blockquote>

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