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Message: <blockquote data-quote="rapa" data-source="post: 111279" data-attributes="member: 212">Recurring themes of banned terrorist entities in UK There are always 20 or so individuals (mover/shakers) who run groups, who -- if taken out of the picture -- would paralyse a group's activities overnight. hen a group knows it is probably going to be banned, it steps up its level of activities (and rhetoric) until the day it is banned, preparing for banning. Fundraising for groups comes from ongoing assets like property and state benefits, which are not going to disappear even if a group's funds are seized or re-distributed. Fundraising for groups most often includes some use of a British registered charity. Websites are often cached or duplicated. Web presence will continue using a general term (Followers of Ahl Sunnah Wal Jamaa, for example, which is a group term also used by non-radicals) Propaganda material (audio and video) is often moved to an online storage site, such as Sendspace, and its destination promoted privately. Clear IP address / bank account detail / written / audio / video / other prosecutable evidence exists on individuals within groups likely to be banned. In light of these themes, VIGIL is currently lobbying the UK parliament for a change in banning legislation. This would take the form of the following: The VIGIL banning mechanism VIGIL has devised a simple method by which groups can get themselves banned -- not a code making it easier for the government to ban groups, but a code allowing effective banning of groups by the government. It is similar to the threat security code but simpler. It is a three level code as follows: GREEN First -- whether by a UK authority, foreign government or other body -- the UK Home Secretary receives a report of a group or hydra. This green level results in rapid private investigations of the group. AMBER Second, investigations (or the strength of the original report) result in a public warning to the group. An official letter goes out to the recognised leaders of the group informing them of a likely imminent ban unless there is an immediate change in their conduct and activities (the 20 mover/shakers mentioned above). The letter clarifies that they will be held personally responsible (just like a company director for his company's activities) for future infringements and that these infringements could lead to large fines, deportation and / or a jail sentence (standard Dutch sentence 12 months, for example). These individuals have one week to convey this message to the group's followers and to present to the police / Home Office any group members they feel will put their positions in jeopardy. Finally, these individuals will be warned that they are as of now subject to an open ended review. A group/hydra -- once it has reached amber -- can never return to green. RED Third, comes the ban. This is a seizure of assets, a cutting of ongoing funds (benefits, direct debit contributions etc) and the arrest of the liable individuals. Standard banning legislation is also used -- websites forced offline and propaganda material seized. Banks used in the fundraising process for these groups should be publicly chastised where guilty and fined if possible. In conclusion Banning groups is a great opportunity for the British government to inflict lasting damage on terrorist networks. There are few opportunities as good as the banning opportunity to wound terrorists before they strike. There is no cure in terrorism -- just prevention - and banning is an opportunity too good to miss. There has been much talk of how the 7/7 bombers needed very little money to cause so much devastation. Yet the groups who provided them with support and succour use lots of money daily to spread their vile ideologies and win similar recruits -- they openly raise these funds here in Britain. This LTTE case study -- just touching the surface of evidence collected by VIGIL over three months' infiltration -- is a shocking example of how banning can go so wrong. It should not be allowed to repeat itself. While the effect on Britons of the LTTE's comfortable existence in the UK is minimal, the effect on Britons of the Al Mujahiroun Hydra's continued comfortable (benefit-supported) existence in the UK will be paid for in blood. Not that this makes effectively banning the Al Mujahiroun Hydra more important than the effective banning of the LTTE -- which causes daily mayhem in Sri Lanka and beyond, and whose infrastructure (so advanced it has its own shipping fleet) it is alleged Al Qaeda uses. The key point here is liability. These supporters of terrorism are liable for what their proteges and "martyrs" go and do. The leaders of such groups -- publicity seekers all of them -- will not step aside from their responsibility of being seen as the leaders of their groups, or they will lose the leadership of their groups by default anyway. It is far easier talking the terror game than being an actual terrorist -- it is time the British government stood up to the plate and stuck some long nails into the comfy armchairs of the leaders of these supporters of terrorism. To the camp that says, "these groups will go underground -- don't frighten them off", the Home Secretary should say "rubbish -- they need the publicity so much they cannot afford to go underground." (And from VIGIL's experience they are groups which are easy to infiltrate -- easy to glean amber level evidence on -- even when they think they are out of the public glare). `One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. -- Sir Winston ChurchillBanning Explanation written by Dominic Whiteman. Dominic Whiteman is spokesman for the international anti-terrorist organisation VIGIL. VIGIL is headquartered in London and is comprised of anti-terror experts, ranging from retired intelligence officers and military personnel to linguistic and banking experts.VIGIL is involved in anti terrorism intelligence-gathering activities across the globe, covering eighty percent Islamist terrorism and twenty percent other forms of terrorism. Its intelligence reports and gathered evidence are passed onto the UK agencies and other national intelligence establishments -- on a regular basis. VIGIL's maxim -- all terrorists are is fear. LTTE bogus "charities" stealing Tsunami reliefs</blockquote>

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