LTTE's War in x-pert's point of view.

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Nash_Node said:
Good question.

I would say for the whole country.

on the time...ponder over this too

What did Ranil do? or what was he trying to do?

I am not a party politics person, but I respect this guy for atleast "trying" to do that.

Pitty that not many understood it.

well I dont knw whether he has secrets policies with LTTE
and I hav to tell this .......Ranil tried to do something but he couldnt do it cos of his personality......if he had a personality like mohinder......then the story wud hav changed;) so he lacked that part in leadership

and well as far as I knw a country like SL couldnt bare the expences of war...... n Ranil knew this (as UNP'iers r more into market economy n so on) so what he was trying to do is to stop war 4 a while n to start building the nation..... (economy wise ranils era was relatively better than anyone else) but sad scene he couldnt implement what he has planned to do due to many reasons........???
 

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    Nash_Node said:
    Sorry was rather a hypothetical phrase used by me to depit the "acceptence" of our faults and easing the Root cause of this whole problem.

    Ok, read this

    Back in 1975, there was a wave of communilism in east Asia. Viatnam, Cambodia, Laos etc countires fell right into the hands of hard lined communists (the likes of Wimal and Somawansha)

    But the only country to survive that wave was "Thailand"

    The communists had the support of many Univercity educated youth in Thailand and they formed their military bases on the outskirts of the boarder ! Their weapons and training came via the Viatnam boarder.

    How did the Thailand government survived ? actually it's a long subject, but summerzing on the highlights.


    1. The Thailand government didn't arrest ANYONE !

    2. The Government offered an un-conditionaly amnesty to anyone who want to come back to the democratic rule.

    3. When a student surrendered to the Army, they were released back to the Univercity without any arrests or harrasments. They were on survailence...but were FREE to live a scarefree life for them selves out of the Communists.

    4. The Army was adviced not to SHOOT any communists unless they shot them first and their Army sticked to it. Only less that 10 communists were killed during the whole agenda.

    5. Through that time, the goverment built roads to the remortest of hamlest and along with it went a Clink and electricity. The King of Thailand him self has paid for some of the consturction.

    6. The suppressed people who supported communism did see that they could gain more benift by being democratic. They can NOW sell their crops to the village market..and health benifits which the communists cannot deliver. So, people became more prosporouse and rejected the crazy communilism.

    7. One by one, all communist militants gave up their arms and came back to the democratic civilization.

    8. Some of the Communist youth leaders were NOT ARRESTED. They were offered SPECIAL MINISTER POSTS in the Thailand cabinet for their special leadership skills.

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    That's how Thailand escaped the clutches of Communism. !!

    Now, take this model and apply to Sri Lanka... can't we do this?

    Question for you to Ponder over and answer

    I dont think that this is a good Idea for this Country... Ltte is not so honest like you think they are… try to remember what they did sometimes back when the peace talks were held...:)
     

    Asitha-K

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    Nash_Node said:
    1. Tigers have planned to Kill Mahinda's wife.

    2. They have bribed the undertaker in "jayarathna malshaalawa" to strap a bomb on her when her dead body arives.

    3. Take the body to president's house, wait till Mahinda come running with tears

    4. BOOOOM

    5. President dead

    so, we were actually talking about a method on how we can stop this and alert the authorities in time of this sinister plan

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    This is the same story of HitMan movie:yes:
    By the way good criminal Mind!!! wish LTTE won't c this!! :lol::lol:
     

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    actually x pert what I see here each and every body trying to grab their thing at the suitable moment during the last few decades thats what even now happening mostly.

    if i say in sinhala
    "kala dutukala wala iha ganeema" it started as a small thing but we have end up here what we have today.....just like the chaos theory(stuff in butter fly effect ;) ) little swirl happening today might cause a sever tornado in some where else in few weeks time....but non of us never think this might be a tornado when we just see the swirl ....so that is what happened to this war even....so now we are punished for just letting it happen...
    but if a tornado is going on it even got a stop for sure..it cannot stay for ever...thats the nature...so just like so if we act right this is not unstoppable:) so as you always say we just have to be hope full....every single thing happened with a reason as you have described step by step even stop of this war got those steps ..(I hope one day you me or our children(never mind i meant generally;) ) will able to write down those few steps forward in a thread like this .....:yes: just like a chain....but we cannot stay just being hope full ...have to do things..but not just with sophisticated tools you can keep in hands but also with that tool in the upper part of around 6 feel tall human body!....

    thanks for posting this kind of thing....

    sampath312 writes :)
     

    BLACK KNIGHT

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    MACHAN GOOD POST...

    I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS WAR....I THINK EACH AND EVERY PERSON WHO HAS RULED SRILANKA IS TO BE BLAMED FOR THIS MATTER...

    I HATE THIS WAR....HOPE PEACE WILL COME SOON TO SL
     

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    Ok, adding some more to this point...something interesting about a real situation in Sri Lanka and where our system has Fu_ked up !!

    Not boasting :yes:, but last night I was in the Cloak Room @ Cinnamon Grand and bumped into Rajah Senanayke, the son of E.L Senanayake......from the family of Dudly Senanayake ! (Any memebers in Kandy might know him as a violent WIFE killer :lol:)

    so.. we had a long massive chat which went till around 3.00 am in the morning :lol:

    However, if anyone has gone into this Particular room, you might know that it's the Poshest and the most expensive Brothel In Sri Lanka :lol: (This is where you get to meet all your favourite tele/film star girls up close and personal !!..and was laughing my ass out in seeing an ACTRESS there up for grabs which you guys are currently having a FAN THREAD) ..ok ok.. let me be honest and tell you that I went there to meet a client (honestly)

    Ok, getting back, naturally we ended up talking about Women / girls and prostitutes ! (heck !! we ARE MEN after all ...)
    We were chatting about many issues and something went off beat and came to a chat about "War - its aftermath..... armed forces----and Wives" !

    Whatever said and done in the past and at current, we are a nation in WAR. People get killed from both sides.. that is something you cannot deny or neglect.
    So, what happens to all those Wive's of the soldiers who give up their lives for us?

    Interesting question isn't it ? Let's summerise !

    1. For the First 3 months she will be in shock
    2. Next, she will be looking to get her husbands pension to rake out a living.
    3. The higher ranking officials push and pull the file till she get exhausted.

    then... the officers DEMAND !

    Demand WHAT ??

    Sexual favoures to get the job done !

    so what or why did that poor innocent soldier gave up his life for ?

    Think guys and girls... THINK !

    In my opinion, We as a forum have missed the actual point which we have to talk about. All of us fight to find an answer to "WHO" started the war.. and in another thread, we are fighting to find out "WHO CAME FIRST"... Tamil or Sinhalse (the chicken and the egg story, as I would sarcasticly name it)

    So, can we talk about the Aftermath of this war and it's results ?? than trying to find out who is wrong and where it went wrong ?

    Why not voice you opinon on "HOW" can we correct this and "WHERE" to start.... rather that talking about the History.

    Please voice out, I have my own opinons of it and may put them here if anyone is willing to talk about subjects which were never spoken before !
     

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    Nash_Node said:
    my comments on bold

    This is a summarised version of an unbiased analysis, and I was never born when most of these things occur. So I'm not 100% sure about the correctness of post. Older people pls correct me if I'm wrong. [But you have to have a DOB before 1977] - nop, sorry !


    Mr. S W R D Bandaranaike ruled the country.
    Tamil people and Sinhala people lived together.
    But there was some discrimination because Tamils were the minority.

    Let me correct this. - Before Banda, Sri Lanka was ruled by the sorts of Dudly and Sir John which were mostly hellbent on developing Sri Lanka eventhough they wore double breasted coats and ties.

    However, Dudly and Sir John made one big change in the estate sector with the involment of Chelva. Till that time the estate sector was run by the Privatized British rule. Chelva was instrumental in dealing with Dudly and Sri John to aqquire them back to government and MAKE IT A PROFIT making venture towards the Government and the estate workers.

    But, British DIDN'T LIKE IT !, what they did was to aqquire 100,000 aceres in Africa which was under their rule and to start the tea plantation to beat Sri Lanka in the World Market.

    FAILED !! becuase they JUST cannot beat the quality of Sri Lankan tea. So, in looking for a way to break this, they saw BANDA as the best value of their money. British approached Banda and financed his entire campaign to get elected with the Slogan of "Pancha Maha Balawegaya".

    We must understand here that, eventhough the British had left Ceylon, we were still ruled by an English speaking High society crew ! What Banda did was to make the Normal poor / un-educated people of Ceylon to revolt against these people (what JVP is doing now).

    So HE WON !... and from then on wards the Down fall of Sri Lanka began.

    Then came the era of Sirimavo.
    Still there was some discrimination but Sirimavo tackled it strategically.
    She bought vegies, grain, fruits from Jaffna farmers. So they became rich hence they lived peacefully.

    No, She made a tactical DISASTER !. she wanted to put Sri Lanka on the same track as India to be self suffiecient nation. BUT, she didn't understand that SRI LANKAN's are not that sort of people.

    She was adviced by Punk heads like "rathwatte" whome were idelogistic FOOLS who didn't know the ground reality of the country.

    Here we must also note that, Sirimavo was elected purely on the "emmotional basis" of people. She was someone who never had any experiance in EVEN RUNNING her own home let alone a COUNTRY !

    But as per your point, Jaffna farmers were already rich. There was no need to make them "MORE" richer during her rule had made them. They were a proud set of people who understood the value of education and they were one of the most HIGHLY educated people in the country.

    The Country's food supply was clearly marked as Chillies and B'Onions from Jaffna, Rice from Anura-polon, Tea from N'eliya, Coconuts from Kurunegala and SORT, so there was no competition amonst the farmers or the produse. Who ever says it or believe's it mistaken !!!!

    Then there was this turning point. J R Jayawardena was elected in 1977.
    He got 5 out of 6 votes in Sri Lanka. Sirimavo only got 6 or 7 seats. Hence Tamil party became the opposition. And the foreign community thought the Tamils will become the next ruling government in SL.

    Yes, that was the Turning point for "GOOD" not for the "BAD". Remember !!!! I am typing this to you on a laptop sitting in an air conditioned office THANKS to J.R. Otherwise, we would be still sending stampped letters to GTRZ who's operating a snail mail "friends club" called "ELAKIRI" :lol:

    True, along with the Open economy it brought some adverse effects. But even J.R didn't bring it upon the people, someone else would have done it. Because even the most biggest country to hold onto such idealogies (CHINA) has fallen on it's knees because of it. Now they are staggering back to democracy and Open economy.

    It was not the foreign who though it would be as such. It's the people of this country thought it as such.


    Western countries always wanted to have a war to sell their weaponry basically.

    There was nothing called WAR during that time in SL !

    J R Jayawardena introduced Open Economy in SL. So SL could buy stuff from foreig countries for a much lesser price than buying from the inland farmers including the tamil farmers in Jaffna.

    This was a massive hit to the Tamil Farmers because selling those items was the main occupation in Jaffna. And that's the main reason for they being so rich those days.

    Partly true !!. They were affected by it, but not as so we would like this they were.

    To understand what really happened, Let's treck back to Banda's "pancha maha balawegaya"

    When this came into being, our Sihalese "dipshit" nutcases who were just too arrogent to be educated Demanded JOBS in the public sector through Political powers and JUST because of the fact that "Pancha maha B" thing was purely racial....as for Sinhalse only.

    Even TODAy, the constitution says,

    Sinhala is the main language, Tamil IS ALSO
    a language (mark the ittaling and underline word) -- IS ALSO means it's not a main language in this country.

    Because of this, the Tamils got suppressed. They were educated and a proud set of people,.. they were helpless but to stand back and watch when our sinhalese punks take all the best places (where they were not qualified enough)... and tamils were pushed back or regarded as Just farmers.

    Understand that we as a RACE were practising Racial SLUR !!! which was started by Banda. I am not trying to put all the blame on One donkey....but just pointing out that "this is where it started"

    Tamil people may be intelligent.(they were) But if some one is telling they are brainy than Sinhala people that is not a proven fact.(it was nothing to be provan... it was a FACT-- but don't brand me as a "KOTIYA" as would "rapa" do as soon as he sees this:lol:... but that's the truth we have to agree on) But in the history there were few top notch Tamil leaders heading several companies in the country.( FEW ???:shocked:. not few mate. almost ALL) That's because Sinhala people never wanted to learn tamil and Tamil people have a tendency to give more marks for Tamil people in A/L s and other exams. So they pased all the exams etc. (WRONG !, that's complete BULLSH_T... exams papers are distributed around the island to be corrected and there's no WAY anyone to give MORE marks without getting caught)

    Then there was this guy, called Prabakaran. who didn't want to go to school but wanted to watch cow boy movies resulted to SL by the open economy. When he was in his youth, he wanted to have a revolution because he didn't like the current situation of the Tamils. [Basically they couldn't sell their crop to Sri Lankan government]

    :-)lol:, well his favourite actor is Gamini Fonseka :lol:.He's educated up to O/L's. But it was not the Cowboy films came through the Open economy or the selling of crop made him revolt. (How can he be fustrated in no bein able to sell crops when he didn't own nothing else than his own house;)??)

    But it was the SUPPRESSION that made him and all other Tamils youths revolted. They were neglected in the Public job secotor and Tamils were even Banned from Joining the Armed Forces.

    So did led the JVP to revolt ?? Suppression, government not heeding their pleas,........ which was the same reason Tamils revolted.

    Indeed, I am not "again' trying to put all the fault on the shoulders of Sinhalese. Tamils had their own damn issues as well. But 75% of the fault DO REST on our shoulders and we cannot deny it, eventhough ironically we ALL deny it:yes:

    Apparently Prabakaran is a patient having a mental disorder called Parabola disease.

    No comments ! (never met his doctor :lol:)

    So Praba and another friend of his called Mahaththaya wanted to have a revolution and they somehow able to get a pistol from somewhere.

    Err, you soud it more like - "Ok, Machang, let's go make a revolution!! let's kill some people and start a massacar !!!:shocked:

    It's NOT LIKE THAT !!..

    One day Prabha killed an army soldier, actually a civil engineer in Jaffna. This is mainly with the intention to start a war.

    Rather trying to grab the GUN from him.

    But, ask the question "WHY DID THE ARMY FELLOW WAS THERE?" because an unrest of the Tamil population has already started. !! and our stupid leaders (including J.R) thought of Suppressing them MORE than trying to solve it.


    SL Government sent a group of 13 soldiers to investigate the situation.

    These 13 soldiers were killed by a Claymore mine.

    Then there was this black mark called the Black july. (Kalu juliya)

    Sinhala people in Colombo started killing Tamils in Colombo and as a result almost all the tamils went to Jaffna where there was a good situation for them with the leadership of Prabha. Then the tamils also started the war.

    Sinhalese people were nothing more than a pack of CROOCKED RETARDS. what began as a "recoil" ended up as a mass robbary and murder!. To top it all, that di_k head J.R. didn't do anything to stop it either.


    Killings went on and on.

    Indian Peace Keeping Forces (IPKF) came to Sri Lanka to give support to the Sri Lankan forces to wipe off LTTE from the surface. But they did many bad things too. As an example raping women.

    That happens when any foreign army lands in another country. But, yes they were BAD in terms of their latter negotiations with the LTTE and leaving their weapons in truck loads for LTTE by the orders of Ghandi !

    Again there was a situation where they had to have an election. And R Premadasa gave a promise saying that he will send the IPKF back to India. For 2 reasons. IPKF was doing bad stuff for SL women as well. And SL people thought someday India will capture the control of SL. (Including Rajiv Gandhi)

    So people wanted to have Premadasa as the president.

    Di_K head number 2 in my list !. IPKF cornered Prabha in the Wadamaarachchi and was the launch the final offencive the next day when the order came to Pack up and go... (and order included to leave weapons)


    After being the president, Premadasa discussed with LTTE for a solution. mainly to send the IPKF back. LTTE and Premadasa had 2 different agendas in this scenario. So ultimately Premadasa gave weapons to LTTE to kick IPKF out meanwhile discussing with India about the negotiation. After some time Rajiv Gandhi ordered IPKF to fall back to India.

    The comment I have for this is too damn long to write. Feel bored now ! But will do later if this convo does pick up ;)

    But as a personal revenge Prabha killed Rajiv Gandhi. This was the biggest mistake prabha has done in his history. For the first time he has given a chance to his heart to act instead of his mind.

    No, that was when Ghandi and Prabha got pissed off with each other. This did not have anything to do with the fall back of IPKF. This was an issue regarding Thamilnadu (again... too bored to write) :lol:

    So now the LTTE have more weapons and many tamils supported Prabha. So here we are... with a war having a history of 25 years.

    In Jaffna, casts play a huge role. Prabha is from the lowest cast called commonly as "sakkili" the people who wash toilets. But because of the JRs open economy, Tamils have very few options. So they had to support a leadership. They chose Prabha.

    Western countries played a huge role in starting this war. Mainly the British. They are the people who introduced this divide. They wanted to have 50 : 50 in the Parliment (Sinhala : Tamil) where there was only a minority of Tamils in Sri Lanka.

    So mainly, British people, Sinhala people, Tamil people, JR's open economy are the main reasons for this war.

    I have much to write about this as well.......so let me leave the last three comments of mine "uncommented" because

    1. I am bored

    2. would be a waste of time if no one is intersted.

    but...Please leave J.R's open economy out of this. !!!:lol:
    Finally got some time to read the whole thing. Its best to hear the other side of the story as well as nash node and just has done it here, and come up with ur own conclusion. I am looking forward to see ur comments on the issue of premadasa giving weapons to the LTTE and the other part u left out because ur too bored to comment on. :D
     

    Wal Bada

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  • But there was some discrimination because Tamils were the minority.
    Such as?

    FAILED !! becuase they JUST cannot beat the quality of Sri Lankan tea. So, in looking for a way to break this, they saw BANDA as the best value of their money. British approached Banda and financed his entire campaign to get elected with the Slogan of "Pancha Maha Balawegaya".
    Possibly true. Banda, like JRJ inherits genes of traitors that poltted with british to capture the king.

    Sinhala is the main language, Tamil IS ALSO a language (mark the ittaling and underline word) -- IS ALSO means it's not a main language in this country.
    In Englan, english is the main language. There are more than 40% of people in England with foriegn ancestory. But England's official language is English. What is the problem with SInhala being the official language?

    Because of this, the Tamils got suppressed. They were educated and a proud set of people,.. they were helpless but to stand back and watch when our sinhalese punks take all the best places (where they were not qualified enough)... and tamils were pushed back or regarded as Just farmers.
    Totally wrong. The district system allowed lower caste tamils from Vanni, East and Hill country equal opportunities in education. More than Sinhalese geeting there quota, Tamils of Jaffna (rich and proud buggers) could not stand lower caste people getting an equal education. Then who provided tamils with more opportunities? And you'll know why is the reason as well.

    But, ask the question "WHY DID THE ARMY FELLOW WAS THERE?" because an unrest of the Tamil population has already started. !! and our stupid leaders (including J.R) thought of Suppressing them MORE than trying to solve it.
    Yes, and you skillfully cover that over 50 Sinhalese in Jaffna were killed between 1973-1983, and over 4000 were driven away from North. That's why army was there. Don't put the entire blame on black july, there were similar incidents of lesser magnitude happening before that. Then where is the "Dharmadasa Bakery" which was infront of Jaffna station, which had about 2500 customers a day? What did tamils did to that property?


    Sinhalese people were nothing more than a pack of CROOCKED RETARDS. what began as a "recoil" ended up as a mass robbary and murder!. To top it all, that di_k head J.R. didn't do anything to stop it either.
    Once again wrong. Ordinary Sinhala people even provided shelter for the fleeing tamils, even under death threats from UNP hired thugs who killed, raped and robbed them. But, is any one talking about 85 sinhalese that were killed at Hatton town, the snhala girls who were raped by tamil thugs in Hattin and Nuwara Eliya? Why is Sinhala population in Hatton dropped from 5000 to about 250 by now? I could only think you are terribly one eyed.
     

    Wal Bada

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  • Since Nash_Node is really interested in this topic I would like if he can explain these points.

    1. Is there a historic tamil homeland? (Not if they need a homeland)
    2. What were the discriminations done by Sinhalese governments to the tamils, which were specific to tamils?
    3. What is the solution for the problem in SL. Is it devolution of power or de centralization of administration?
    4. If it is devolution of power what will be the suitable model? Unitary country, Federal givernment or confederation?
     
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    Wal Bada said:
    Since Nash_Node is really interested in this topic I would like if he can explain these points.

    1. Is there a historic tamil homeland? (Not if they need a homeland)
    2. What were the discriminations done by Sinhalese governments to the tamils, which were specific to tamils?
    3. What is the solution for the problem in SL. Is it devolution of power or de centralization of administration?
    4. If it is devolution of power what will be the suitable model? Unitary country, Federal givernment or confederation?

    Refer to the thread "war and aftermath" I stated my opinion on all of these.