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<blockquote data-quote="sirajstc" data-source="post: 7240901" data-attributes="member: 91140"><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Assalaamu Alaaikum...Peace Be Upon You All <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/happy.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Happy :)" data-shortname=":)" /></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><u><strong>Marriage Relations with 'Children'?</strong></u></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">In Islam, a marriage contract can be agreed by parents for their children. So two parents may make a marriage contract that their children will be each others partners when they are mature for the rights of marriage. Why is this type of marriage contract usually done? In most cases it is done to cement relations between two families, or to agree to marriage early so they have an opportunity for marriage with a certain family before someone else proposes. This was done by Kings in the past to secure relations between two kingdoms.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">Even though this is recognised in Islam, when the children become mature - they have the choice of annulling/cancelling the marriage if they wish to do so. This then refutes the concept of forcing them into marriage if they don't wish to do so.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><em>Bukhari - Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236: </em> Narrated Hisham's father:</span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"> Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then <u>he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.</u></span></span> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">This hadith proves the above to be the case, where the marriage contract may take place at an earlier age and the consumation may take place when the person is mature for it.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">His marriage to Aisha was one of the greatest blessings upon this Ummah because due to her, we learned so much about the life of the Messenger. She is the 4th highest narrator of Ahadith. She had the mind of a scholor and due to this marriage we know the much about the life of the Messenger at home. And this was a divinely inspired Marriage. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><u><strong></strong></u></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><u><strong></strong></u></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><u><strong>Intimate Relations</strong></u></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">The concept of maturity (<em>balaghah</em>) is different to how people percieve it today.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">People mature at different levels, depending on where they live, and also their biological makeup.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">In countries near the equator, girls mature into women a few years quicker than girls in colder nations. I.e. a girl may have physically developed into a woman by the age of 10 in the middle east, whereas this may occur at 13 for a young woman in Europe.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">HerWord.com says:</span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Indigo"><strong>There was a study conducted showing that girls who live in countries close to the equator started their menstruation earlier.</strong></span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Indigo"><strong></strong></span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">(HerWord.com,</span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><a href="http://www.herword.com/healthdesk/others/changes10.28.03.html" target="_blank">http://www.herword.com/healthdesk/ot...s10.28.03.html</a>)</span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The book Women and Health Psychology says:</span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Navy">Many factors have been reported to <strong>affect age at menarche</strong> and/or the regularity of <strong>menstruation</strong>—[such as] <strong>climate</strong>, altitude, <strong><em>race</em></strong>, height, weight, hereditary, stress/psychological factors, <strong>light</strong>, and nutrition.</span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">(Women and Health Psychology,</span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=pK9RGVrvQAEC&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=menarche+climate&source=web&ots=ILfZwgFzEO&sig=8ZZxn7Dvhzm2HH3cQTBh9_K-mss#PPP1,M1" target="_blank">Women and Health Psychology ... - Google Book Search</a>)</span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span> </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">This phenomenon is not limited to menarche [menstruation periods], but also applies to the whole of puberty. In the book <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><em>Women: An Historical, Gynecological, and Anthropological Compendium, </em><span style="color: DimGray">we read:</span></span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><strong>The average temperature of the country or province is considered the chief factor here, not only with regard to menstruation but as regards <u>the whole of sexual development</u> at puberty.</strong></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: DarkSlateGray">(Herman H. Ploss, Max Bartels and Paul Bartels; Woman: An Historical,</span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: DarkSlateGray"> Gynecological, and Anthropological Compendium, Volume I, Lord & Bransby,</span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: DarkSlateGray"> 1988, p.563;</span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> <span style="font-size: 12px"> <a href="http://www.biblioz.com/lp25762280577_207.html" target="_blank">Woman. An historical, gynaecological and anthropological compendium. Volume 3 only by PLOSS, Herman Heinrich, BARTELS, Max & BARTELS, Paul Find or Buy Book Now!</a>)</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p> </p> </p> </p></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">In Islam, for a girl to have menstruation is not enough, but she should be mature physically, mentally and emotionally for marriage. </span><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">Mufti Maulana Husain Kadodia explained:</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: red"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: red"></span></span><p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: red"> In reality, puberty has two usages. The first usage is with regards to physical development, whereas the second usage is with regards to menses. </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: red"><strong> For (sexual) intercourse, developmental puberty (<em>balagha</em>) is a precondition.*</strong> Whereas for other rulings—such as being ordered to pray—the menses usage applies.</span></span> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">(Maulana Mufti Husain Kadodia, <a href="http://www.ask-imam.com/" target="_blank">Ask Imam.com with Mufti Ebrahim Desai</a>)</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DarkRed"> *The puberty being referred to is the puberty of physical growth - so that a person is capable for sexual relations - without any harm coming to them.</span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p> </p></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">This statement of the scholar - which is based on Islamic teachings - Husain Kadodia proves three points;</span><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>1) </strong>A girl who has had her menses but has not matured in her body physically should not have sexual relations, if she was to have a marriage contract. This is because she could be harmed in the process, since her body has not physically matured. </span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DimGray">[Some girls do have periods early, but their body has not matured for any form of sexual activity - so she is not permitted to have such relations due to the harm caused to her in the process<span style="color: Red">*</span>.]</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Red">*</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px">This is based on the hadith of the Prophet;</span><p style="margin-left: 20px"> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-size: 12px"><img src="http://fortyhadith.iiu.edu.my/images/hadith32arabic.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span></p></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]<span style="font-size: 12px">It was related on the authority of Abu Sa'id Sa'd bin Malik bin Sinan al-Khudri, <em>radiyallahu 'anhu</em>, that the Messenger of Allah, <em>sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam</em>, said: </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span>[/FONT]<p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">لا ضرر ولا ضر</span></strong></span></span></p></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue">"There is to be no harming, nor reci</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue">procating of harm."</span></span> (Musnad Ahmad, authenticated by Al-Albânî)</p></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]<span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue"><p style="margin-left: 20px"> <strong>"There should be neither harming nor reciprocating harm." </strong></p></span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Blue"></p></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></span></span>[/FONT] <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]<span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DimGray">[A excellent <em>hadith</em> which Ibn Majah, Al-Daraqutni and others related as of sound <em>isnad</em>, but which Malik related in his Muwatta' as of broken <em>isnad</em>, from 'Amr bin Yahya, from his father, from the Prophet, <em>sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam</em>, but dropping (the name of) Abu Sa'id. This <em>hadith</em> has lines of transmission which strengthen one another (so that it may be regarded as of sound <em>isnad</em>).]</span></span>[/FONT]<span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]<span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DimGray">more explanation;</span></span>[/FONT]<span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]<span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DimGray"><a href="http://fortyhadith.iiu.edu.my/hadith32.htm" target="_blank">http://fortyhadith.iiu.edu.my/hadith32.htm</a></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DimGray"></span></span>[/FONT]<span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>2)</strong> A young woman who has matured in every single way, but has not had her menses - then she is permitted to have sexual relations with her husband when she has had a valid marriage contract completed. This is because she will not be harmed through such relations since her body and mind has matured for it. </span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DimGray">[This may occur in countries like Antarctica where women at the age of 20 may have matured in every way except they have not had their periods due to the climate conditions.]</span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DimGray"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DimGray"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DimGray">3) Periods signify that a girl has the responsibilities in the religion such as prayer, fasting, etc. Just like boys with their first wet dreams.</span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DimGray"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DimGray"></span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p> </p></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u></u></strong></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u></u></strong></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u>Mental & Emotional Maturity</u></strong></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">Girls and boys also reach <u>mental maturity</u> quicker in close climate nations because they are brought up this way by their culture and upbringing. This usually makes them mature more emotionally too. Think about it; if the norms in a culture are to marry early, then the upbringing by the parents will ensure that the child is brought up to mature and prepare for marriage at an earlier age. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><u></u></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><u>If someone can handle the it well, then what's the problem?</u></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">In Islam, if someone is capable of being married and is mature in a way to handle its responsibilities, it is permitted in Islam for that person to get married, male or female. But if there will be any harm that could come to them through such a marriage, then the marriage should not go ahead, and may be annulled by the Islamic judge if there is harm in it. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">Marriage may be done earlier in Muslim nations because having any intimate relations outside of marriage is not permitted. Instead, it is to be done through a secure and safe relationship of marriage. This is why marriage is encouraged, because if a person is capable of having a relationship with someone else, then why not through a trustworthy relationship which both parties agree to?</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u></u></strong></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u>The marriage of Aisha</u></strong></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">There is a very strong proof we can use to show that Aisha (peace be upon her) had reached physical maturity before she moved into the Prophet’s house, and this is </span> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: Purple">Aisha’s own statement in which she said:</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><span style="color: Purple"></span></strong></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><span style="color: Purple"></span></strong></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><span style="color: Purple">When the girl reaches nine years of age, she is a woman.</span></strong></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">(Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Kitab al-Nikah)</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">This statement of Aisha shows that it was the norms in Arabia for a girl to mature on to become a young woman, i.e. become physically mature for marriage and its rights at the age of 9.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px">Further, Aisha describes herself at the age of nine;</span> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DarkRed">Imam Ibn kathir (May Allah have mercy on him) narrates a hadith in his Al-Bidayah wa-Nihayah:</span></span><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="color: DimGray">"Imam Bukhari (May Allah have mercy on him) narrates another hadith which he heard from Farwa bin abi al-Mughria who heard from 'Ali bin Masher who heard from Hisham bin 'Urawh who heard from his father who reports from</span><strong> 'Aisha</strong> (May Allah be pleased with her), who <strong>said:</strong> 'When the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) was betrowth to me, I was six years old. Later,<strong> when we migrated from Makkah to Medina</strong> and stayed at bin harith bin khdhrj's place, I had grown up. My hair had got longer and <strong>I had physically matured</strong>; however, I still used to play with other girls...<strong>I was nine years old at that time."</strong></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DarkRed"><a href="http://qurango.com/seerat.html" target="_blank">Source</a> Page 210-211</span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></span></p> </p> </p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">There are cases of this being the norms throughout the world, without any harm coming to the young woman. Its only lately that the ages have started to rise to above 15, abit more or less. This is likely due to the longer life expectancy of people today in comparison to the past.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u></u></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><u>Married to a man who's 54?</u></strong></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">What we see is that the age of the man is largely irrelevant to the question, <em>so long as he is still reasonably within the age of marriage.</em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Any marriage by a people is based on the cultural norms of the time. The marriage should be based on social norms. The Prophet Muhammad married according to the social norms of his society (marriage of younger women to older men was the norms), and we marry according to the social norms that we live in. Social norms are not a problem, so long as they do not contradict firmly set ethics, and it has been proven above that this marriage did not cause any harm to Aisha whatsoever, but caused a great deal of good. Every other marriage should be judged individually based on its own circumstances.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><u>Useful Links;</u></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><u></u></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><u></u>Marriage in other nations throughout the world at early ages, and more in depth explanation on the issues addressed;</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><a href="http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/quran-hadith-prophet-muhammad/book-refuting-islamaphobes-claim-prophet-muhammad-pedophile-1441/" target="_blank">http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/q...edophile-1441/</a></span> Prophet Muhammad had only around 12 white hairs when he passed away at the age of 63, and his description [see Shama'il Al Tirmidhi] proves he was not a senile old man like some people may think.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sirajstc, post: 7240901, member: 91140"] [SIZE=3]Assalaamu Alaaikum...Peace Be Upon You All :) [/SIZE] [INDENT][INDENT][SIZE=3][U][B]Marriage Relations with 'Children'?[/B][/U] In Islam, a marriage contract can be agreed by parents for their children. So two parents may make a marriage contract that their children will be each others partners when they are mature for the rights of marriage. Why is this type of marriage contract usually done? In most cases it is done to cement relations between two families, or to agree to marriage early so they have an opportunity for marriage with a certain family before someone else proposes. This was done by Kings in the past to secure relations between two kingdoms. Even though this is recognised in Islam, when the children become mature - they have the choice of annulling/cancelling the marriage if they wish to do so. This then refutes the concept of forcing them into marriage if they don't wish to do so. [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=DarkSlateBlue] [I]Bukhari - Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236: [/I] Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then [U]he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] This hadith proves the above to be the case, where the marriage contract may take place at an earlier age and the consumation may take place when the person is mature for it. His marriage to Aisha was one of the greatest blessings upon this Ummah because due to her, we learned so much about the life of the Messenger. She is the 4th highest narrator of Ahadith. She had the mind of a scholor and due to this marriage we know the much about the life of the Messenger at home. And this was a divinely inspired Marriage. [U][B] Intimate Relations[/B][/U] The concept of maturity ([I]balaghah[/I]) is different to how people percieve it today. People mature at different levels, depending on where they live, and also their biological makeup. In countries near the equator, girls mature into women a few years quicker than girls in colder nations. I.e. a girl may have physically developed into a woman by the age of 10 in the middle east, whereas this may occur at 13 for a young woman in Europe. [/SIZE] [INDENT][INDENT][INDENT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]HerWord.com says: [COLOR=Indigo][B]There was a study conducted showing that girls who live in countries close to the equator started their menstruation earlier. [/B][/COLOR] (HerWord.com, [URL="http://www.herword.com/healthdesk/others/changes10.28.03.html"]http://www.herword.com/healthdesk/ot...s10.28.03.html[/URL]) The book Women and Health Psychology says: [COLOR=Navy]Many factors have been reported to [B]affect age at menarche[/B] and/or the regularity of [B]menstruation[/B]—[such as] [B]climate[/B], altitude, [B][I]race[/I][/B], height, weight, hereditary, stress/psychological factors, [B]light[/B], and nutrition.[/COLOR] (Women and Health Psychology, [URL="http://books.google.com/books?id=pK9RGVrvQAEC&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=menarche+climate&source=web&ots=ILfZwgFzEO&sig=8ZZxn7Dvhzm2HH3cQTBh9_K-mss#PPP1,M1"]Women and Health Psychology ... - Google Book Search[/URL]) [/SIZE][/FONT] [/INDENT][INDENT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]This phenomenon is not limited to menarche [menstruation periods], but also applies to the whole of puberty. In the book [COLOR=DarkSlateBlue][I]Women: An Historical, Gynecological, and Anthropological Compendium, [/I][COLOR=DimGray]we read:[/COLOR][/COLOR] [/SIZE][/FONT][INDENT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=DarkSlateBlue][B]The average temperature of the country or province is considered the chief factor here, not only with regard to menstruation but as regards [U]the whole of sexual development[/U] at puberty.[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][COLOR=DarkSlateGray](Herman H. Ploss, Max Bartels and Paul Bartels; Woman: An Historical,[/COLOR][/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][COLOR=DarkSlateGray] Gynecological, and Anthropological Compendium, Volume I, Lord & Bransby,[/COLOR][/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][COLOR=DarkSlateGray] 1988, p.563;[/COLOR][/FONT] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [URL="http://www.biblioz.com/lp25762280577_207.html"]Woman. An historical, gynaecological and anthropological compendium. Volume 3 only by PLOSS, Herman Heinrich, BARTELS, Max & BARTELS, Paul Find or Buy Book Now![/URL]) [/SIZE] [/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][SIZE=3]In Islam, for a girl to have menstruation is not enough, but she should be mature physically, mentally and emotionally for marriage. [/SIZE][INDENT][SIZE=3]Mufti Maulana Husain Kadodia explained: [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=red] [/COLOR][/SIZE][INDENT][INDENT][SIZE=3][COLOR=red] In reality, puberty has two usages. The first usage is with regards to physical development, whereas the second usage is with regards to menses. [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=red][B] For (sexual) intercourse, developmental puberty ([I]balagha[/I]) is a precondition.*[/B] Whereas for other rulings—such as being ordered to pray—the menses usage applies.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3] (Maulana Mufti Husain Kadodia, [URL="http://www.ask-imam.com/"]Ask Imam.com with Mufti Ebrahim Desai[/URL]) [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=DarkRed] *The puberty being referred to is the puberty of physical growth - so that a person is capable for sexual relations - without any harm coming to them.[/COLOR] [/SIZE] [/INDENT][/INDENT][SIZE=3]This statement of the scholar - which is based on Islamic teachings - Husain Kadodia proves three points;[/SIZE][INDENT][SIZE=3][B]1) [/B]A girl who has had her menses but has not matured in her body physically should not have sexual relations, if she was to have a marriage contract. This is because she could be harmed in the process, since her body has not physically matured. [/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=DimGray][Some girls do have periods early, but their body has not matured for any form of sexual activity - so she is not permitted to have such relations due to the harm caused to her in the process[COLOR=Red]*[/COLOR].][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=Red]*[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3]This is based on the hadith of the Prophet;[/SIZE][INDENT] [CENTER][SIZE=3][IMG]http://fortyhadith.iiu.edu.my/images/hadith32arabic.gif[/IMG][/SIZE][/CENTER] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=3]It was related on the authority of Abu Sa'id Sa'd bin Malik bin Sinan al-Khudri, [I]radiyallahu 'anhu[/I], that the Messenger of Allah, [I]sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam[/I], said: [/SIZE][/FONT][INDENT][CENTER][SIZE=3][COLOR=Blue][B][FONT=Times New Roman]لا ضرر ولا ضر[/FONT][/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/CENTER] [SIZE=3][COLOR=Blue]"There is to be no harming, nor reci[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=Blue]procating of harm."[/COLOR][/SIZE] (Musnad Ahmad, authenticated by Al-Albânî)[/INDENT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=3][COLOR=Blue][INDENT] [B]"There should be neither harming nor reciprocating harm." [/B] [/INDENT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=3][COLOR=DimGray][A excellent [I]hadith[/I] which Ibn Majah, Al-Daraqutni and others related as of sound [I]isnad[/I], but which Malik related in his Muwatta' as of broken [I]isnad[/I], from 'Amr bin Yahya, from his father, from the Prophet, [I]sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam[/I], but dropping (the name of) Abu Sa'id. This [I]hadith[/I] has lines of transmission which strengthen one another (so that it may be regarded as of sound [I]isnad[/I]).][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=3][COLOR=DimGray]more explanation;[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=3][COLOR=DimGray][URL]http://fortyhadith.iiu.edu.my/hadith32.htm[/URL] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [/INDENT][SIZE=3][B]2)[/B] A young woman who has matured in every single way, but has not had her menses - then she is permitted to have sexual relations with her husband when she has had a valid marriage contract completed. This is because she will not be harmed through such relations since her body and mind has matured for it. [/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=DimGray][This may occur in countries like Antarctica where women at the age of 20 may have matured in every way except they have not had their periods due to the climate conditions.] 3) Periods signify that a girl has the responsibilities in the religion such as prayer, fasting, etc. Just like boys with their first wet dreams. [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [/INDENT][/INDENT][SIZE=3][B][U] Mental & Emotional Maturity[/U][/B] Girls and boys also reach [U]mental maturity[/U] quicker in close climate nations because they are brought up this way by their culture and upbringing. This usually makes them mature more emotionally too. Think about it; if the norms in a culture are to marry early, then the upbringing by the parents will ensure that the child is brought up to mature and prepare for marriage at an earlier age. [U] If someone can handle the it well, then what's the problem?[/U] In Islam, if someone is capable of being married and is mature in a way to handle its responsibilities, it is permitted in Islam for that person to get married, male or female. But if there will be any harm that could come to them through such a marriage, then the marriage should not go ahead, and may be annulled by the Islamic judge if there is harm in it. Marriage may be done earlier in Muslim nations because having any intimate relations outside of marriage is not permitted. Instead, it is to be done through a secure and safe relationship of marriage. This is why marriage is encouraged, because if a person is capable of having a relationship with someone else, then why not through a trustworthy relationship which both parties agree to? [/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [B][U] The marriage of Aisha[/U][/B] There is a very strong proof we can use to show that Aisha (peace be upon her) had reached physical maturity before she moved into the Prophet’s house, and this is [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=Purple]Aisha’s own statement in which she said:[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3] [B][COLOR=Purple] When the girl reaches nine years of age, she is a woman.[/COLOR][/B] (Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Kitab al-Nikah) This statement of Aisha shows that it was the norms in Arabia for a girl to mature on to become a young woman, i.e. become physically mature for marriage and its rights at the age of 9. Further, Aisha describes herself at the age of nine;[/SIZE] [INDENT][SIZE=3][COLOR=DarkRed]Imam Ibn kathir (May Allah have mercy on him) narrates a hadith in his Al-Bidayah wa-Nihayah:[/COLOR][/SIZE][INDENT][SIZE=3][COLOR=DarkRed][COLOR=DimGray]"Imam Bukhari (May Allah have mercy on him) narrates another hadith which he heard from Farwa bin abi al-Mughria who heard from 'Ali bin Masher who heard from Hisham bin 'Urawh who heard from his father who reports from[/COLOR][B] 'Aisha[/B] (May Allah be pleased with her), who [B]said:[/B] 'When the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) was betrowth to me, I was six years old. Later,[B] when we migrated from Makkah to Medina[/B] and stayed at bin harith bin khdhrj's place, I had grown up. My hair had got longer and [B]I had physically matured[/B]; however, I still used to play with other girls...[B]I was nine years old at that time."[/B] [URL="http://qurango.com/seerat.html"]Source[/URL] Page 210-211 [/COLOR][/SIZE][/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][SIZE=3] There are cases of this being the norms throughout the world, without any harm coming to the young woman. Its only lately that the ages have started to rise to above 15, abit more or less. This is likely due to the longer life expectancy of people today in comparison to the past. [B][U] Married to a man who's 54?[/U] [/B] What we see is that the age of the man is largely irrelevant to the question, [I]so long as he is still reasonably within the age of marriage.[/I] Any marriage by a people is based on the cultural norms of the time. The marriage should be based on social norms. The Prophet Muhammad married according to the social norms of his society (marriage of younger women to older men was the norms), and we marry according to the social norms that we live in. Social norms are not a problem, so long as they do not contradict firmly set ethics, and it has been proven above that this marriage did not cause any harm to Aisha whatsoever, but caused a great deal of good. Every other marriage should be judged individually based on its own circumstances. [U]Useful Links; [/U]Marriage in other nations throughout the world at early ages, and more in depth explanation on the issues addressed; [URL="http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/quran-hadith-prophet-muhammad/book-refuting-islamaphobes-claim-prophet-muhammad-pedophile-1441/"]http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/q...edophile-1441/[/URL][/SIZE] Prophet Muhammad had only around 12 white hairs when he passed away at the age of 63, and his description [see Shama'il Al Tirmidhi] proves he was not a senile old man like some people may think. [/QUOTE]
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