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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ela_eluwa120" data-source="post: 6876686" data-attributes="member: 193664">If you accept the first statement, then its not necessary to ask again about the same thing you already accepted. If you did so, there is the contradiction.No it isn't non-sense, may be you are not mature enough to understand the words like 'desire' in dept, or don't care of reading  my posts in an un-bias perspective. No, you haven't said rightly, rather, you have just cited some of your own thoughts that you believe true, but not true.A person who screams monks have no concern with society even doesn't know the meaning of the word monk. I don't need to divert.I have clearly answered what you asked about Buddhism. your inability to understand is not my problem.  This kind of logical fallacy is know as "proof by assertion". No matter the number of times is in hundreds or thousands-lies are lies.I have nothing  left to mix and confuse with false logic since Islam is already messed and confused with false logic by itself.According to Qu'ran and Islam, no one can 'select' good or bad because Allah had predesignated everybody's fate and destiny.In addition, believing that allah has predisignied one's fate is the one of the major  Islamic believes. This is know as al-Qadar in Arabic.Islamic (Sunni) belief in al-Qadar has four types.     1 – العلم Al-'Alam – Knowledge: i.e., that Allah knows what His  creation will do, by virtue of His eternal knowledge, including their  choices that will take place.2 – كتابة Kitabat – Writing: i.e., that Allah has written every thing  that exists including the destiny of all creatures in al-Lawh  al-Mahfuud prior to creation.  3 – مشيئة Mashii'at – Will: i.e., that what Allah wills happens and  what He does not will does not happen.   4 – الخلق Al-Khalaq – Creation and formation: i.e., that Allah is the  Creator of all things, including the actions of His servants. They do  their actions in a real sense, and Allah is the Creator of them and of  their actions.   If you read critically, you will realize that this al-Qadar concept clearly states that Allah knows what his creation will do even before creating-which means deciding which religion his creature will follow is also a part of creation. Deciding good or bad that his creature will follow is also a part of creation.Plus, this Islamic al-Qadar concept further states that what Allah wills happens, and what  Allah doesn't will does not happen.To sum up, according to al-Qadar in Islam, if someone select good, thats allah's will, and if someone selects bad, thats also allah's will. Moreover, even if someone rejects or insults Islam thats also allah's will. Thus, you can't say that people have a free will to accept one from good or bad, if you are saying so, you are simply talking against Islam. If you are saying that people have a free will to pick one from good or bad, you betraying the Qu'ran, thus, you will be punished for it according to Islam in the day of judgment by fixing a flag behind your buttock as it is cited in the Hadiths.   So, you accept that quranic verses have a background and its only relevant to that background.For example, lets consider this verse.Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may  happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen  that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.  (2-216)As far as I know, paraphrasing what Muslims say,  God revealed this verse when some enemies attacked the city of Madina.That means this verse is only valid to the incident happened in Madina in that period, and not valid now. If every verse is valid only for a specific incident, context or background like this, it gives the idea that quran is expired.On the other hand, if you say this mentioned verse (sura 2-verse 216) is valid today, that blatantly explicit that violence and terrorism  is allowed in Islam. </blockquote>

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