My personal Questions unanswered by christians

[Y2K]

It is Clear why Christians are converting:

1. Christian Scientists are declaring the Qur'an is from Allah. Visit here for Christian and atheist Scientists who convert to Islam and why.

2. The Christian Bishops and Priests are admitting the Bible has tensions. Visit here.

3. Jesus (AS) is a Muslim. Visit here. Perhaps they're discovering the facts and not basing their decision on a bios media?

4. The Bible convicts women as the original sinners, (i.e. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}. The Qur'an clarifies it was Adam not Eve {Al-A'raf 7:19-25}.


5. The Bible says "The birth of a daughter is a loss." The Qur'an says both are an equal blessing {Ash-Shura 42:49}.

6. The Bible forbids women from speaking in church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}. The Qur'an says women can argue with the Prophet (SAW) {Al-Mujadilah 58:1}.

7. In the Bible, divorced women are labeled as an adulteress, not men {Matthew 5:31-32}. The Quran does not have Biblical double standards {Ar-Rum 30:21}.


8. In the Bible, widows and sisters do not inherit any property or wealth, only men do {Numbers 27:1-11}. The Quran abolished this male greediness {An-Nisa 4:22} and Allah (SWT) protects all.

My knowledge in OT is very poor but all i know is jesus, so i will answer by the word of Jesus and after his ministry OK

I think those days people worried abt Physical kindom, bt Jesus talk abot inheriting the spiritual kindom


9. The Bible allows multiple wives {I Kings 11:3}. In the Quran, Allah (SWT) limits the number to four only under certain situations. {An-Nisa 4:3}. The Quran gives the woman the right to choose who to marry.

Jesus allow only one wife if you really wants If you callege me i will give you the verse OK


The list goes on and on, to hear from some of these converts, including Nuns, and many famous people, visit here.

As i told you before any christian can leave his father if they like , surely they do not know him well that is why they leave his ever loving father but those people are very helpful to Devil's it seems

The Parable of the Lost Son

11 Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons. 12 The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate.’ So he divided his property between them.
13 “Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. 14 After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. 16 He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18 I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ 20 So he got up and went to his father.

“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

21 “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.

25 “Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. 27 ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’

28 “The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. 29 But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’

31 “‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’”

How great is our Lord !

 

[Y2K]

Jesus has already told us that He is the vine and we are the branches. The branches draw their life from the vine, not vice versa. Just as the branch draws its life from the vine, so too must we draw our life directly from Jesus. Jesus will release His life directly into us through the Holy Spirit in the exact same way that the vine will release the life of the tree into the branches.

In one short, but incredibe powerful Scripture verse, God the Father is giving all of us an incredible revelation on what can go on behind the scenes in the spiritual realm for those who are willing to work with Him in this sanctification process.

Now I will go on to describe what each one of these nine fruits are all about and give you definitions from some of the different Bible Dictionaries and Commentaries, thereby making it easier for you to work with the Holy Spirit once He starts to move in on you to try and impart some of these divine qualities and attributes into the core of your personality.

1. Love

If I had to rank all of the above fruits in their order of possible importance, the quality of love would have to be #1. And this is why it may have been listed as the first fruit in the above Scripture verse.

There are some very powerful and profound verses from the Bible on just this one quality alone, and it needs to have its own article to do it proper justice.

Here are some of the different definitions on what love is from the different Bible Dictionaries and Commentaries:

1.Unselfish, benevolent concern for another; brotherly concern; the object of brotherly concern or affection

2.The self-denying, self-sacrificing, Christ-like love which is the foundation of all other graces

3.Unselfish, loyal and benevolent concern for the well being of another

4.The high esteem which God has for His human children and the high regard which they, in turn, should have for Him and other people

5.To love, to have affection for someone; to like; to be a friend; the love of brothers for each other

One of the main messages that comes through loud and clear from studying our Bible is the extreme importance that God the Father is placing on that everyone learn how to love Him, love ourselves, love one another, and to even go as far as to be able to love our enemies and those who will try and hurt us.

One of the main messages that comes through loud and clear from studying our Bible is the extreme importance that God the Father is placing on that everyone learn how to love Him, love ourselves, love one another, and to even go as far as to be able to love our enemies and those who will try and hurt us.

However, our abilities as fallen humans to love one another is very limited. This is why it is so important for each and every Christian to work very closely with the Holy Spirit to get this fruit worked up into the core of our personalities.

It is only when the love of the Holy Spirit starts to flow and enter into our personalities can we even begin to love God, love ourselves, and love one another to the degree and to the intensity that God would like to see from each one of us.

To those of you who will be entering into this sanctification process with the Lord – this quality should be listed as the #1 quality you should really attempt to put on into the core of your soul and personality. The Holy Spirit will be moving on you very early and very quickly to get this quality imparted into your mind, soul, and emotions due to the extreme importance of it in your walk with the Lord.

You can be the greatest man of God and have some of the greatest gifts of God flowing through you – but if you are not walking with all of this in the spirit of love and humility, it will have all been for naught.

 

[sirajstc]

Thanks Y2K.

Also i have question for SIRAJSTC,

your guys are telling that QURAN is perfect one for human being so why those Muslims not practicing it & why their killing each other.[/QU
i dont understand ur question buddy.?plz explain i ll gv answer...

 

[Captain Arjun!!!!!]

Thanks Y2K.

Also i have question for SIRAJSTC,

your guys are telling that QURAN is perfect one for human being so why those Muslims not practicing it & why their killing each other.[/QU
i dont understand ur question buddy.?plz explain i ll gv answer...

sorry for that & here we go;

If Islam is true religion, why Muslims not practicing Islam their daily life, just their talking only and why they are killing each other.

 

[Y2K]

It is Clear why Christians are converting:

1. Christian Scientists are declaring the Qur'an is from Allah. Visit here for Christian and atheist Scientists who convert to Islam and why.

I don't think I should show you there were many scientific blunders in Quran, Scientists never able to proof Either Allah or GOD


2. The Christian Bishops and Priests are admitting the Bible has tensions. Visit here.

link is dead but even this is true i can give you thousands preachers said Quran is full of violance some even say that angle is not gabriel bt Lucifer



3. Jesus (AS) is a Muslim. Visit here. Perhaps they're discovering the facts and not basing their decision on a bios media?

Link is dead
If Jesus is truely were muslim then Allah is the first one to crucify him because he said he is the SON OF GOD which allah hated the most

But Muslims Jesus will come in the future claiming he is Christ and join Madhi to kill all Christians


4. The Bible convicts women as the original sinners, (i.e. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}. The Qur'an clarifies it was Adam not Eve {Al-A'raf 7:19-25}.


I think Quran second it :lol:

5. The Bible says "The birth of a daughter is a loss." The Qur'an says both are an equal blessing {Ash-Shura 42:49}.

Apparently you are under the assumption that Ecclesiasticus and Ecclesiastes are the same book. One is a book of the Bible the other is not.

Ecclesiasticus is not a biblical book.

6. The Bible forbids women from speaking in church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}. The Qur'an says women can argue with the Prophet (SAW) {Al-Mujadilah 58:1}.

Well forget about speaking in the church , then why the hell muslim women can even step in to the Mosque ??

7. In the Bible, divorced women are labeled as an adulteress, not men {Matthew 5:31-32}. The Quran does not have Biblical double standards {Ar-Rum 30:21}.


again picking those words out of the context, pls note that this is the Words of Jesus, here what jesus want to show how terible sin is divorsing ur wife

see how radical rascal muslim you are . ha ?

Divorce

31“It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’f 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.



8. In the Bible, widows and sisters do not inherit any property or wealth, only men do {Numbers 27:1-11}. The Quran abolished this male greediness {An-Nisa 4:22} and Allah (SWT) protects all.

8“Say to the Israelites, ‘If a man dies and leaves no son, turn his inheritance over to his daughter. 9If he has no daughter, give his inheritance to his brothers. 10If he has no brothers, give his inheritance to his father’s brothers. 11If his father had no brothers, give his inheritance to the nearest relative in his clan, that he may possess it. This is to be a legal requirement for the Israelites, as the Lord commanded Moses.’”

shame on you sirajstc

9. The Bible allows multiple wives {I Kings 11:3}. In the Quran, Allah (SWT) limits the number to four only under certain situations. {An-Nisa 4:3}. The Quran gives the woman the right to choose who to marry.

Mchan it is true you are searching internet (Radical Muslims Fanatics websites) looing for some kind of proof to disproof the word of God but pls do not just cut and paste take the bible and read the full context ok otherwise invain you will inhirit the kindom of Hell

here is the full verse

He had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray. Kings 11:3[/B]

The list goes on and on, to hear from some of these converts, including Nuns, and many famous people, visit here.

another radical muslims website

hey you hardith is full of lust i can even quote those verse first try to remove you log in your eyes son

 

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thanikara mole awul wechcha porak...

 

[Y2K]

100,000 people per year in America alone, are converting to Islam. For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam.​

They're discovering the FACTS and not basing their decisions on biased media. They realise they deserve to know the complete unadulterated truth.
1. The Bible Convicts Women as the original Sinners (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}.
The Koran Clarifies it was Adam Not Eve {Koran 7:19-25}

Please tell me what does the quran says ?



2. The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a loss" {Ecclesiasticus 22:3}.
The Koran says both are an Equal Blessing {Koran 42:49}

This i have answered previous in reply with a counter question ​

3. The Bible forbids women from speaking in church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}.
The Koran says women can argue with the Prophet {58:1}

Argueing with Prohpet is not a good thing bt questioning is OK



4. In the Bible, divorced Women are Labeled as an Adulteress, not men {Matthew 5:31-32}
The Koran does Not have Biblical double standards{Koran 30:21}

I think according to the Quran you can have 4 wives without divorcing your previous wife (Only religion in the world approving this )



5. In The Bible, widows and sisters do not inherit Any property or wealth, only men do {Numbers 27:1-11}
The Koran abolished this male greed {Koran 4:22} and God protects all.

I have answer it clearly in my previous thread

6. The Bible Allows Multiple Wives {I Kings 11:3}
In The Koran, God limits the number to 4 only under certain situations (with the wife's permission)and prefers you marry only one wife {Koran 4:3} The Koran gives the woman the right to choose who to marry.

pls read the whole 1 Kings 11:3

7. "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives" {Deuteronomy 22:28-30}
One must ask a simple question here, who is really punished, the man who raped the woman or the woman who was raped? According to the Bible, you have to spend the rest of your life with the man who raped you.
The Prophet Muhammad Says {Volume 9, Book 86, Number 101} Narrated by Aisha:"It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage)".
Would the Non-Muslim men reading this prefer the Women they know to be Christian or Muslim?



Again this guys is just copy and paste (is it ok to copy & paste bt you have to read it properly check whether it can really surport u r purpose poor fellow


Deuteronomy 22:28-30

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver.c He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Here the case is : the person who raped the girl is not a tranger here that man is her partner/ lover

not pledge means : not Engaged
so here bible talks abt rule for cheating lovers , yeah I think today we accpet this rule you can not have sex with ur girl friend or take his virginity unless at least you were not engadged: so if found guilty this is the best punishment we can give on the another hand this is the only solution to that poor victim

Criminal should purnished otherwise


8. The Bible also asks women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}

No offense !


9. Women were given rights to Vote less than a 100 years ago in the (US), while the Koran gave women voting rights almost 1,500 years ago.

So what ?


Christianity increased 47%

World Population increased 136%

Islam increased 235% Alhamdulillah

Oh it a another Miracle of Allah "it is because allah the greatest Deceiver?" you never know

sirajstc your 2nd Attempt also successfully Failed

 

[Y2K]

thanikara mole awul wechcha porak...

kageda ban ?

 

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My personal Question to Christians.

01- Show me where Jesus himself say he says He is God & worship me

: He did so in a variety of ways.

Jesus accepted worship in John 9:38, Matthew 8:2; 28:9; 2:2; 14:33; Luke 24:52; 28:17.

Just because worship is mentioned in these verses, do you prove Jesus is God? Don’t u feel that is very weakest logic? The word worship may not necessarily be used for GOD Almighty alone, even in the English language. It could very well be used for showing a great respect for someone you highly regard or love. See the dictionary http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/worship

Notice in Luke 24:53 after 24.52(one of the verse which u mentioned above), it says "praising God" and not "praising Jesus". After they finished greeting Jesus, who was given the power to heal the sick, cure the blind, and bring the dead into life, they returned to Jerusalem and Worshiped GOD Almighty

According to bible Jesus Him self had God and he worshipped and prayed to God

Let us look at Luke 5:16 "And he (Jesus) withdrew himself into the wilderness and prayed to his God." Here we see that Jesus had a God, a supreme God, who is higher than him and stronger than him. Jesus was God's servant and he prayed to God so God would strengthen him more and reinforce him with patience and desire to continue his mission in spreading the word of God Almighty.

Also, let us look at Matthew 26:39 "And going a little way forward, he (Jesus) fell upon his face, praying and saying 'My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.' " Here in this verse we see two things: (1) Jesus bowed down on his face and prayed in submission to his GOD in obedience. (2) Jesus was begging his GOD to let the cup pass away from him. Jesus did not have the power to will it for himself and make the cup pass away from Jesus. GOD had to do it for Jesus !. How can Jesus be the Creator of this Universe, the all knowing, most powerful??!!

Also, let us look at Matthew 26:42 "Again, for the second time, he (Jesus) went off and prayed, saying: 'My Father, if it is not possible for this to pass away except I drink it, let your will take place.'" My comments on this verse are similar to the above one (Matthew 26:39), Jesus begged his GOD to will what Jesus wanted to happen. Jesus couldn't will it by himself.

Also, let us look at Matthew 26:44 "So leaving them, he (Jesus) went off and prayed for the third time, saying once more the same word." Here we see that Jesus for the third time begged his GOD to will what Jesus wished for in Matthew 26:39 above. How can Jesus be the Creator of this Universe if he (1) begs, and (2) lacks power?!

Even in the Old Testament, the foretold Prophet, Jesus, was said to have the Spirit of Fearing GOD Almighty in him:

Isaiah 11:1-3 "1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of
counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD (Jesus fearing his GOD)--

3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or
decide by what he hears with his ears;"

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 24:36)" Not even Jesus knows when the Hour will come! How in the World can he be the Creator of the Universe?!

So, lot of queries to be answered by you. My proofs are stronger than yours don’t u feel so.


Jesus called Himself by the most Holy name of God in John 8:58.

Jesus accepted Thomas saying to Jesus, "My Lord and My God" in John 20:28.

The context of the verse talks about an unbelieving Thomas being surprised when Jesus offers him evidence.

The exclamation, "My God," on his part was just astonishment. We use such exclamations everyday while talking to people. This doesn't mean that the person we are talking to is God.. Oh my God!! You are wrong here, that doesn’t mean you are GOD.

Only God can forgive sins, and Jesus forgave sins against God in Matthew 9:2-6; Mark 2:5-12, Luke 5:20-23; 7:48-50.

How does this make Jesus God? his is simple bad reading from the Christians on their own Bible, had the Christian read the first 4 Gospels in context they would see that Jesus being able to forgive sin was not something divine, but rather a power given to him by God, note what Jesus says when he forgave sin. Why you forget to mention this as well
John 17:6-8: 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me
John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God

Even the men whom Jesus temporarily forgave, they were still never guaranteed any salvation, because their choices were still theirs, and the their Ultimate Destiny with GOD Almighty will only be met during the Day of Judgement when HE AND ONLY HE, the Almighty, will make all of the Judgment calls on every creation He Created. The temporal forgiveness of sins of some men doesn't raise Jesus to any level of Divinity. It only shows and proves that he was no more than a temporary Prophet and a Messenger of GOD Almighty. Jesus said that he was not "good", and "only GOD alone is good
if Jesus was really God, he would not need to be given such a mighty power, he would OWN IT. My argument is not stronger than yours?



Jesus would send His angels in Matthew 13:41, yet these are angels of God in Luke 12:8-9; 15:10.

Psalm 91 clearly promises that Jesus will cry out to GOD Almighty for help, and GOD Almighty WILL send down the Angels to protect him from death and harm, how do you know this is his angel? Only God will send angel to protect Jesus, as he did for other prophets. It is another misconception that it is not his angel but angels assigned for him.
we all know Jesus' famous and final cry to GOD Almighty when he said: "Eloi Eloi lama sabachtani!", which translates: "My GOD my GOD, why have you forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46

Imagine God crying asking for protection

Jesus said all are to honor the Son just as they honor the Father in John 5:23.
Notice Jesus says that if you do not honour him then you do not honour the Father. Now what does that mean? You see folks, any person who does not believe in a prophet of God disbelieves in God also, why? Because God is commanding you to believe in those prophets, and God is sending them revelations, to deny the prophet is to deny God.

So therefore by honouring Jesus, you honour the Father, because you believe in Jesus, which means you believe God sent him with his doctrine, and in doing so this honours the Father. In fact let us continue quoting the verses:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Again Christians are hiding other next verse
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Notice what Jesus is saying, he is saying the person who believes what he is saying, which is basically the doctrine of God, and believe in the ONE THAT SENT HIM will have everlasting life, which is heaven and they shall not be sent to eternal condemnation which is hell.
This makes things even more clear now, to honour Jesus simply means believe in him, believe in him as a prophet, once you do this, you honour the Father since you believe the Father sent Jesus, and you believe in the doctrine of the Father, therefore you shall go to heaven!



Jesus would judge the world in (Matthew 24:31-46, 25:31-3; John 5:21-22, 27). Yet is God who is coming to judge the world (Psalm 50:1-6; Joel 3:12; Deuteronomy 32:35)

I get a bit of confusion here who judge the world

John 12:47-49
47"As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. 48There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. 49For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it.

compared with
John 5:22
Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,

1 Peter 1:17
Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.

So as we see John 12 contradicts John 5 because John 12 says that Jesus does not judge certain people. However, John 5 says that all judgment is entrusted to Jesus. John 5 contradicts with 1 Peter because John 5 says that the Father judges no one but in 1 Peter we see that the Father does judge man's work.

I know this is useless to you anyway just to see our viwers I will answer to all of ur false accusation remember this is a case against Christ

You brought out of context and hypothetical weak proof. Can u still say my proof are weak than yours.

Nothing to refute or address here, but to make it clear once again that Jesus is inferior to the Father and that the Father is superior to Jesus.

1- Jesus prays to the Father

2- Jesus speaks of what he hears only, and who is he listening to? The Father

3- Jesus' doctrine which he preaches is not his own. Who does it belong to? You guessed it, the FATHER.

4- Jesus submitted his will to who? His Father.

5- Who gave Jesus everything he had? Such as the several miracles he performed? The Father.

6- Was Jesus all-knowing? Who was smarter and who knew more? Him or the Father? Once again it was the FATHER, the Father knew more than Jesus, as Jesus himself said, no one knows the last hour accept who? ONLY THE FATHER. Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Jesus saying only is very important, it basically means ONLY the Father knew when the hour was, not Jesus the man, nor Jesus the divine, meaning he is not all-knowing even if divine form! Meaning he is not God.

Still You haven’t brought up for me a direct verse in which Jesus says “I’m GOD worship me”, whatever you brought is believed (hypothetical) to be supporting for Jesus being God. That has been refuted above. So still my question is open for you. Now can I go ahead with next rebuttal for your next answer or shall we agree on this first.

 

[Y2K]

My personal Question to Christians.

01- Show me where Jesus himself say he says He is God & worship me

: He did so in a variety of ways.

Jesus accepted worship in John 9:38, Matthew 8:2; 28:9; 2:2; 14:33; Luke 24:52; 28:17.

Just because worship is mentioned in these verses, do you prove Jesus is God? Don’t u feel that is very weakest logic? The word worship may not necessarily be used for GOD Almighty alone, even in the English language. It could very well be used for showing a great respect for someone you highly regard or love. See the dictionary http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/worship

Notice in Luke 24:53 after 24.52(one of the verse which u mentioned above), it says "praising God" and not "praising Jesus". After they finished greeting Jesus, who was given the power to heal the sick, cure the blind, and bring the dead into life, they returned to Jerusalem and Worshiped GOD Almighty

According to bible Jesus Him self had God and he worshipped and prayed to God

Let us look at Luke 5:16 "And he (Jesus) withdrew himself into the wilderness and prayed to his God." Here we see that Jesus had a God, a supreme God, who is higher than him and stronger than him. Jesus was God's servant and he prayed to God so God would strengthen him more and reinforce him with patience and desire to continue his mission in spreading the word of God Almighty.

Also, let us look at Matthew 26:39 "And going a little way forward, he (Jesus) fell upon his face, praying and saying 'My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.' " Here in this verse we see two things: (1) Jesus bowed down on his face and prayed in submission to his GOD in obedience. (2) Jesus was begging his GOD to let the cup pass away from him. Jesus did not have the power to will it for himself and make the cup pass away from Jesus. GOD had to do it for Jesus !. How can Jesus be the Creator of this Universe, the all knowing, most powerful??!!

Also, let us look at Matthew 26:42 "Again, for the second time, he (Jesus) went off and prayed, saying: 'My Father, if it is not possible for this to pass away except I drink it, let your will take place.'" My comments on this verse are similar to the above one (Matthew 26:39), Jesus begged his GOD to will what Jesus wanted to happen. Jesus couldn't will it by himself.

Also, let us look at Matthew 26:44 "So leaving them, he (Jesus) went off and prayed for the third time, saying once more the same word." Here we see that Jesus for the third time begged his GOD to will what Jesus wished for in Matthew 26:39 above. How can Jesus be the Creator of this Universe if he (1) begs, and (2) lacks power?!

Even in the Old Testament, the foretold Prophet, Jesus, was said to have the Spirit of Fearing GOD Almighty in him:

Isaiah 11:1-3 "1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of
counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD (Jesus fearing his GOD)--

3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or
decide by what he hears with his ears;"

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 24:36)" Not even Jesus knows when the Hour will come! How in the World can he be the Creator of the Universe?!

So, lot of queries to be answered by you. My proofs are stronger than yours don’t u feel so.


Jesus called Himself by the most Holy name of God in John 8:58.

Jesus accepted Thomas saying to Jesus, "My Lord and My God" in John 20:28.

The context of the verse talks about an unbelieving Thomas being surprised when Jesus offers him evidence.

The exclamation, "My God," on his part was just astonishment. We use such exclamations everyday while talking to people. This doesn't mean that the person we are talking to is God.. Oh my God!! You are wrong here, that doesn’t mean you are GOD.

Only God can forgive sins, and Jesus forgave sins against God in Matthew 9:2-6; Mark 2:5-12, Luke 5:20-23; 7:48-50.

How does this make Jesus God? his is simple bad reading from the Christians on their own Bible, had the Christian read the first 4 Gospels in context they would see that Jesus being able to forgive sin was not something divine, but rather a power given to him by God, note what Jesus says when he forgave sin. Why you forget to mention this as well
John 17:6-8: 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me
John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God

Even the men whom Jesus temporarily forgave, they were still never guaranteed any salvation, because their choices were still theirs, and the their Ultimate Destiny with GOD Almighty will only be met during the Day of Judgement when HE AND ONLY HE, the Almighty, will make all of the Judgment calls on every creation He Created. The temporal forgiveness of sins of some men doesn't raise Jesus to any level of Divinity. It only shows and proves that he was no more than a temporary Prophet and a Messenger of GOD Almighty. Jesus said that he was not "good", and "only GOD alone is good
if Jesus was really God, he would not need to be given such a mighty power, he would OWN IT. My argument is not stronger than yours?



Jesus would send His angels in Matthew 13:41, yet these are angels of God in Luke 12:8-9; 15:10.

Psalm 91 clearly promises that Jesus will cry out to GOD Almighty for help, and GOD Almighty WILL send down the Angels to protect him from death and harm, how do you know this is his angel? Only God will send angel to protect Jesus, as he did for other prophets. It is another misconception that it is not his angel but angels assigned for him.
we all know Jesus' famous and final cry to GOD Almighty when he said: "Eloi Eloi lama sabachtani!", which translates: "My GOD my GOD, why have you forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46

Imagine God crying asking for protection

Jesus said all are to honor the Son just as they honor the Father in John 5:23.
Notice Jesus says that if you do not honour him then you do not honour the Father. Now what does that mean? You see folks, any person who does not believe in a prophet of God disbelieves in God also, why? Because God is commanding you to believe in those prophets, and God is sending them revelations, to deny the prophet is to deny God.

So therefore by honouring Jesus, you honour the Father, because you believe in Jesus, which means you believe God sent him with his doctrine, and in doing so this honours the Father. In fact let us continue quoting the verses:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Again Christians are hiding other next verse
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Notice what Jesus is saying, he is saying the person who believes what he is saying, which is basically the doctrine of God, and believe in the ONE THAT SENT HIM will have everlasting life, which is heaven and they shall not be sent to eternal condemnation which is hell.
This makes things even more clear now, to honour Jesus simply means believe in him, believe in him as a prophet, once you do this, you honour the Father since you believe the Father sent Jesus, and you believe in the doctrine of the Father, therefore you shall go to heaven!



Jesus would judge the world in (Matthew 24:31-46, 25:31-3; John 5:21-22, 27). Yet is God who is coming to judge the world (Psalm 50:1-6; Joel 3:12; Deuteronomy 32:35)

I get a bit of confusion here who judge the world

John 12:47-49
47"As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. 48There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. 49For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it.

compared with
John 5:22
Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,

1 Peter 1:17
Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.

So as we see John 12 contradicts John 5 because John 12 says that Jesus does not judge certain people. However, John 5 says that all judgment is entrusted to Jesus. John 5 contradicts with 1 Peter because John 5 says that the Father judges no one but in 1 Peter we see that the Father does judge man's work.

I know this is useless to you anyway just to see our viwers I will answer to all of ur false accusation remember this is a case against Christ

You brought out of context and hypothetical weak proof. Can u still say my proof are weak than yours.

Nothing to refute or address here, but to make it clear once again that Jesus is inferior to the Father and that the Father is superior to Jesus.

1- Jesus prays to the Father

2- Jesus speaks of what he hears only, and who is he listening to? The Father

3- Jesus' doctrine which he preaches is not his own. Who does it belong to? You guessed it, the FATHER.

4- Jesus submitted his will to who? His Father.

5- Who gave Jesus everything he had? Such as the several miracles he performed? The Father.

6- Was Jesus all-knowing? Who was smarter and who knew more? Him or the Father? Once again it was the FATHER, the Father knew more than Jesus, as Jesus himself said, no one knows the last hour accept who? ONLY THE FATHER. Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Jesus saying only is very important, it basically means ONLY the Father knew when the hour was, not Jesus the man, nor Jesus the divine, meaning he is not all-knowing even if divine form! Meaning he is not God.

Still You haven’t brought up for me a direct verse in which Jesus says “I’m GOD worship me”, whatever you brought is believed (hypothetical) to be supporting for Jesus being God. That has been refuted above. So still my question is open for you. Now can I go ahead with next rebuttal for your next answer or shall we agree on this first.

I love you sri lanka I am sorry I got fed up with this please do not get misunderstand, all of ur questions i have answered elsewhere bt you keep on asking the same thing over and over agian , it is done !

God is love

May God gives you wisdom

 

[I love Srilanka]

I love you sri lanka I am sorry I got fed up with this please do not get misunderstand, all of ur questions i have answered elsewhere bt you keep on asking the same thing over and over agian , it is done !

God is love

May God gives you wisdom

Its Ok. as I expected u did. that is why I didn't waste time on attempting your other replies.but only 1st query. that it self as I expected happened.
I don't know what u answered else where. but surely u didn't show me where Jesus himself said in the whole bible "I'm God Worship me". the Christians fails as usual. twisting the meaning as to prove their bogus claim will not work with everybody..May Allah Show u the right Path!!

 

[Y2K]

Its Ok. as I expected u did. that is why I didn't waste time on attempting your other replies.but only 1st query. that it self as I expected happened.
I don't know what u answered else where. but surely u didn't show me where Jesus himself said in the whole bible "I'm God Worship me". the Christians fails as usual. twisting the meaning as to prove their bogus claim will not work with everybody..May Allah Show u the right Path!!

Ok let me explain you quickly but I doubt whether you have a capacity to Understand it

No where in the Bible our Lord Jesus beg "Worship from others" never , that is the greateness of a true human, other thing there is no need of saying people always worship him including his 12 disciples i think i do not want to bring those verse (Normal Muslims doesn't like to talk abt) further after Jesus rose from the dead appear to nearly 500 people

one occation he came in inspite of the door being locked , Thomas didn't b'live him at once they though he is a Ghost or something but then Jesus show his palms then thomas went on his nees and worship him by saying "My Lord, My GOD" Jesus didn't not say do not worship me worship only God (becuase he is GOD in Human form) remember son love can not be forced , Honor should come from others by looking at ur good deeds
today you are shouting proudly saying that 'Allah ask you to worship" bt you just worship him without having any proof

If you hate Jesus I will give you another example

In Buddhsim you , Lord buddha never request him to be worshiped , bt instead of telling worship me i am Lord Buddha , he humbly taught us it is very good deeds if you can give due respect to a "Buddha" he didn't say you should honor ME ONLY but today because of his greateness millions of people respect him and even worship him

I love you Sri lanka one thing i can tell you , you are not a father yet, and may be you are below 25 . this is nothing to do with ur age if you knw what is LOVE

it is normal that you expect your GOD to be a Mighty one you think it is very odd thing to God to become a MAN (just to show us the way OK)

Please tell me what do you expect from GOD ?

My Last Words: Hey Brother you are actually my brother I do not want to insult any one bt I am against the violance against the injusty, agianst the inhumanity against the evil I accpet there are some verse in our holy text we can label as "Violent" bt I can 100% sure Jesus is full of love bt OT I have to study it. Actually I learn lot abt this funny sometime others will say silly bt I have learn a lot from this , actually there should be no arguement only discussions If you religion is actually a religion of peace as you claim I respect it !!! every good thing in your Quran I admire it

God bless both of us

Take care

Bye!

 

[sirajstc]

ආමීන්..

 

[I love Srilanka]

Ok let me explain you quickly but I doubt whether you have a capacity to Understand it

You also don’t have capacity to understand either.

No where in the Bible our Lord Jesus beg "Worship from others" never , that is the greatness of a true human, other thing there is no need of saying people always worship him including his 12 disciples i think i do not want to bring those verse (Normal Muslims doesn't like to talk abt) further after Jesus rose from the dead appear to nearly 500 people


Again you are talking about the miracles that were given to Jesus by God. This doesn’t prove Jesus is God. Moses performed miracles that Jesus did not, nor did any other prophets, does that make Moses God? Same thing can be said about many prophets, every prophet had their own uniqueness, their own miracles granted by God, why don’t u understand this? All done with the will of father who sent jesus.. For the works that the Father has given me to accomplish, the very works that I am doing, bear witness about me that the Father has sent me." John 5 16-21
In John 5:30 "I can of mine own self do NOTHING



one occation he came in inspite of the door being locked , Thomas didn't b'live him at once they though he is a Ghost or something but then Jesus show his palms then thomas went on his nees and worship him by saying "My Lord, My GOD" Jesus didn't not say do not worship me worship only God (becuase he is GOD in Human form) remember son love can not be forced , Honor should come from others by looking at ur good deeds



Again you r saying the samething I already answered this to u. The exclamation, "My God," on his part was just astonishment. We use such exclamations everyday while talking to people. Oh! my God what happened to u.if I say u so, that doesn’t mean u are God..

"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment." [Mark 12:29-30]

"But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 6:5-8)

More than this, what I can do u to satisfy. Im not here to win the debate but to show you the truth.don't ever think i came here to insult your religion.



today you are shouting proudly saying that 'Allah ask you to worship" bt you just worship him without having any proof


Why do u worship Jesus? Just because you have faith on your bible, you trust that is telling to worship jesus (though it is not telling to worship jesus but the father). Likewise Quran also telling to worship One God (allah). That is why we worship.



If you hate Jesus I will give you another example

In Buddhsim you , Lord buddha never request him to be worshiped , bt instead of telling worship me i am Lord Buddha , he humbly taught us it is very good deeds if you can give due respect to a "Buddha" he didn't say you should honor ME ONLY but today because of his greateness millions of people respect him and even worship him



Does it qualify Buddha is God? According to you, Jesus is God and not Buddha. So how do u give this as logical proof to prove your claim. Then we should start worshipping all those who humbly taught us very good deeds, including the all prophets who was mentioned in your bible...for instance Moses..can you worship him or Sri Ravi Sanger as you mentioned in one of the thread you are impressed with him. See all the people who are deserved to be respected but not the worshipping as they are not God..tomorrow in the day of judgement they will surely ask you why you worshipped me though i have not told you do so...



I love you Sri lanka one thing i can tell you , you are not a father yet, and may be you are below 25 . this is nothing to do with ur age if you knw what is LOVE


Weak claim. Only more than 25 can understand love and the fact about God.


it is normal that you expect your GOD to be a Mighty one you think it is very odd thing to God to become a MAN (just to show us the way OK)


Way is last and final message from God that is Quran. God is not inferior as human beings to become a man. He may very well can have different option to show his love towards humanity as he is GOD and can do anything to his attributes.



Please tell me what do you expect from GOD ?


Only heaven. In order to reach that, we are supposed to follow what God asked us to do, we will never be able to meet our requirement if we deny the God and started associating partners with him.


My Last Words: Hey Brother you are actually my brother I do not want to insult any one bt I am against the violance against the injusty, agianst the inhumanity against the evil I accpet there are some verse in our holy text we can label as "Violent" bt I can 100% sure Jesus is full of love bt OT I have to study it. Actually I learn lot abt this funny sometime others will say silly bt I have learn a lot from this , actually there should be no arguement only discussions If you religion is actually a religion of peace as you claim I respect it !!! every good thing in your Quran I admire it



it is looks like your impression about Quran, is bad..Hopefully you never studied about quran neutrally other than going to Christian websites..I too here not to insult anyone, when you talk very foolishly only couldn’t tolerate myself; If I hurt you ever, pls forgive me..my humble request you to is study your bible very well and think your slef, whether what you are doing is correct…see my Quotation about God from your bible (my earlier reply). Inshallah you will get to know Jesus never asked anyone to worship him..Rather he preached the same message preached by Abraham, Noah, moses. Your earlier ancestors misunderstood and started worshipping as he has done miracles with the help of God. Of course Jesus is Good person, even we really believe him he did miracles , he was born miraculously, he is to come in another visit to the world..If u say people who follow the jesus are Christians then I will say We are more Christians than you Christians. Because see we muslim keep beard as Jesus had but most of Christian don’t keep, we don’t eat pork & drink alcohol as Jesus said most of the Christians do., we are circumcised as Jesus did, most of the Christian don’t circumcise, we follow the hijab but Christians don’t.

Now it up to you…my advises are enough I hope..

 

[Hettiarachi]

Now it up to you…my advises are enough I hope..
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Agree with you...

 

[krrish123]

amen good work y2k

good work y2k

Jesus is God – He is Worshipped


Jesus accepted worship prior to His ascension
Matthew 28:16-17: “Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.”

Note that Jesus was worshiped at His birth, throughout His ministry, after His resurrection, and again here -- right before His physical ascension into heaven. His divine nature, as a member of the Godhead (along with the Father and the Holy Spirit), was never questioned by Him or by those who really knew who He was and followed Him.


Paul’s understanding as an apostle and leader of the church
Colossians 1:15-16; 2:9: “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. . . . For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form. . .”

And in Titus 2:13-14 Paul refers to him as “our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us. . .”

Paul’s letters were some of the earliest Christian writings, with most of them actually pre-dating the four Gospels -- yet they make some of the strongest statements concerning the first church’s clear understanding of Jesus as the Creator; God in human form.


Jesus will be worshiped by every creature in heaven Revelation 5:13-14: “Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing: ‘To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!’ The four living creatures said, ‘Amen,’ and the elders fell down and worshiped.”

The last book in the Bible points prophetically to the time where every living creature will know and acknowledge that Jesus, the “Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world” (John 1:29) is also the God who we must praise, honor, and worship -- and certainly was not a mere mortal whose identity needed upgrading by Constantine (Roman emperor) hundreds of years after He walked this planet!


Jesus is God – Why this matters so much

But Jesus and His followers made the truth very clear, as we’ve seen in the pages of the earliest records, concerning who He was and is -- and how imperative it is that we understand and embrace that truth. Look at His sobering words about the vital importance of His identity.


“I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life. . . .

“But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going. . .You do not know me or my Father. . .I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins.”

“. . .Even as He spoke, many put their faith in him. To [them] Jesus said, ‘If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.’"

 

[sirajstc]

krish welcome to elakiri did you ever red your bible.??

 

[Y2K]

good work y2k

Thanks Bro

Matthew 10:32 'Whoever acknowledges Me before men, I will acknowledge him before My Father in heaven. But whoever disowns Me before men, I will disown him before My Father in heaven.'

No point mchan bt they have to answer Jesus at that great day of judgement