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<blockquote data-quote="AncientGlory" data-source="post: 10867680" data-attributes="member: 262433"><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Allright lets make few things clear first.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">You made a claim suggesting that I implied Y2K's belief in GOD implies he has an obligation to believe in GOD. To which I said, no and in fact it is not relevant to the point I was making. To which you took the liberty to argue that it indeed is relevant.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I'm discussing this focusing on that point. If you want to discuss, whether Y2K's comments show hypocrisy or not, fine we can do so. But lets settle the other thing first.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Your extraction of my argument is not correct. I suggest you to re-read my comments. </span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I did not make such argument. I said it is indeed extraordinary for him to believe one thing and not another. I was not making any argument here at all. But yes there was a point to my claim, which you obviously missed and assumed that I was saying if someone believes in GOD, he has an obligation to believe in 80000 year old humans.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Here are the two comments I pointed at y2K.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I still fail to see where I made the argument that would say "if you believe in one extraordinary thing you have an obligation to believe in the other."</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I said it is quite remarkable, or extraordinary or laughable(To me) that you believe in one extraordinary thing and question others who believe another extraordinary thing. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">So? Did I say otherwise?</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">So? Did I say you or anyone else could not? Your point????</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">So? Did I say otherwise?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 15px"> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">No it is not. I'm rationally justified to have my faith on X. Even though I base the belief only on faith, there are reasons that I see in my subjective view that will rationally justify my faith to believe in X. And I can't believe Y based on faith because my faith to believe Y cannot be justified by me. This is not opportunistic inconsistency. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 15px"> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I cannot agree, you cannot limit an explanation of an act to mere a definition like that. No such definitions are mutually exclusive. They have common ground. I would say tu quoque is a subset of hypocrisy. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 15px"> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque</a></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I'm not making such argument. My argument is different. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 15px"> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">I fail to see the relevance to the discussion.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AncientGlory, post: 10867680, member: 262433"] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Allright lets make few things clear first. You made a claim suggesting that I implied Y2K's belief in GOD implies he has an obligation to believe in GOD. To which I said, no and in fact it is not relevant to the point I was making. To which you took the liberty to argue that it indeed is relevant. I'm discussing this focusing on that point. If you want to discuss, whether Y2K's comments show hypocrisy or not, fine we can do so. But lets settle the other thing first. Your extraction of my argument is not correct. I suggest you to re-read my comments. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]I did not make such argument. I said it is indeed extraordinary for him to believe one thing and not another. I was not making any argument here at all. But yes there was a point to my claim, which you obviously missed and assumed that I was saying if someone believes in GOD, he has an obligation to believe in 80000 year old humans.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]Here are the two comments I pointed at y2K.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]I still fail to see where I made the argument that would say "if you believe in one extraordinary thing you have an obligation to believe in the other." I said it is quite remarkable, or extraordinary or laughable(To me) that you believe in one extraordinary thing and question others who believe another extraordinary thing. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]So? Did I say otherwise?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]So? Did I say you or anyone else could not? Your point????[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=4] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]So? Did I say otherwise?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=4] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]No it is not. I'm rationally justified to have my faith on X. Even though I base the belief only on faith, there are reasons that I see in my subjective view that will rationally justify my faith to believe in X. And I can't believe Y based on faith because my faith to believe Y cannot be justified by me. This is not opportunistic inconsistency. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=4] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]I cannot agree, you cannot limit an explanation of an act to mere a definition like that. No such definitions are mutually exclusive. They have common ground. I would say tu quoque is a subset of hypocrisy. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=4] [/SIZE][/FONT][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque"][/URL] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]I'm not making such argument. My argument is different. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=4] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=4]I fail to see the relevance to the discussion.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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