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<blockquote data-quote="sirajstc" data-source="post: 6303920" data-attributes="member: 91140"><p><strong><span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-size: 18px">Does Evilness disprove God?</span></span></strong></p><p>By Sami Zaatari</p><p></p><p></p><p>One of the most repeated claims and arguments by atheists to disprove the existence of God is the evil we see around the world. They often bring up war, torture, famine, rape, and all other forms of evil and then say well if God existed then none of this would be happening!</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>They claim how can a perfect all-loving merciful God exist when such things are happening. Some of them then deduce from this that if God does indeed exist then he is doing a very bad job, and has messed everything up, and therefore is not even in need of worship nor attention since he cannot control his own creation.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>The argument may sound appealing, however so the argument is a fallacy from the start, since it is using the fallacious method which is called "appealing to emotions", basically the person arguing here is appealing to a persons emotions rather than actually logically studying and examining the facts. Secondly the person arguing this case has committed a second fallacy, which is "straw man", basically the person who is making this argument has distorted and twisted what Islam really teaches about God and how he does things.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Now what does Islam teach about God and his creation? Islam teaches us that God is perfect, he has no defects, he is free from all error and mistake, however so as far as creation goes then creation is not perfect, nor is creation free from error and mistakes. Hence when humans commit evil, and commit major sins, such as murder, mass thievery, and other major acts of evil this has nothing to do with God, it is not God's fault, it is the fault of that human being, God is free from what this evil person has done because God does not sanction nor call for it.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Had Islam taught that the creation is perfect and completely obedient to God such as the angels, then atheists would have a major case, yet I challenge a single atheist to bring me one Quranic passage which claims that man is a perfect obedient creature.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Now the atheist will resort to another tactic, after you tell him this he will say "well if God is perfect, all powerful, then why does he not make his creation perfect? Why does he allow such things to happen?"</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Now the atheist is committing another major problem. Many will notice atheists often mock Islam for having so many rules on what to do and what not to do, they claim it is like a dictator. However so the atheist now wants God to become a complete dictator and control us humans and make us perfect! The atheist says if God can stop it why does he not? So the atheist wants God to now come and directly interfere in our society, yet I thought atheists had a problem with God running affairs, isn't that a dictatorship as they often claim?! So now the atheist is being inconsistent in his methodology. God gave man free will, hence when you sin, and commit evil, it is because God gave you free will to do what you want, so basically the atheist now wants God to go back on giving us free will and to turn us into controlled robots!</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Also what is good and bad? When an atheist says why doesn't God stop all the bad evil going around the world what exactly is the atheist referring to? Because to a Muslim evilness includes fornication, strip clubs, drugs, and alcohol, yet to most atheists these things are okay and are not evil! Hence if God granted the atheists wish the atheist would now complain that God has taken away his free will and choice which ultimately contradicts what he was asking for in the first place which was that God come and change the society and interfere in our affairs!</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>So to atheists, what do you want, do you want God to take away your free will? Do you want God to control you? You can't say no because your methodology says yes to this! However so if you have no problem with this then why do you have a problem when God gives you rules and laws to live by WITH a free will to choose to follow them or not yet you complain against it!</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>So therefore if the atheists want to stop the evil around the world, then the first thing they should do is accept God, accept his rules, accept his laws, accept everything he has told you, and after this they should call people to the same thing, because evil will only end when the entire society finally obeys God and his rules as they should be obeyed, yet hardly anyone is doing that and this is why the world is so corrupt.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As God tells you:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Navy">6:142- And of the cattle (are some) for burden (like camels etc.) and (some are) small (unable to carry burden like sheep, goats etc. for food, meat, milk, wool etc.). Eat of what Allâh has provided for you, <strong><u>and follow not the footsteps of Shaitân (Satan). Surely he is to you an open enemy.</u></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">6:151- Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited you from: Join not anything in worship with Him; be good and dutiful to your parents; kill not your children because of poverty - We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not near to Al-Fawâhish (shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, and kill not anyone whom Allâh has forbidden, except for a just cause (according to Islâmic law). This He has commanded you that you may understand.</span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p> <span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">3:102- O you who believe! Fear Allâh (by doing all that He has ordered and by abstaining from all that He has forbidden) as He should be feared. [Obey Him, be thankful to Him, and remember Him always], and die not except in a state of Islâm (as Muslims) with complete submission to Allâh.</span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p> <span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">3:31- Say (O Muhammad SAW to mankind): "If you (really) love Allâh then follow me (i.e. accept Islâmic Monotheism, follow the Qur'ân and the Sunnah), Allâh will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."</span></p><p> <span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p></p><p>Many more verses could be quoted, but these verses make the point clear, don't commit evil, and obey Allah, and enter the religion of Islam, this is the straight path that can lead to ending evil, yet you choose to not obey hence you have no one to blame but yourself!</p><p></p><p></p><p>And Allah Knows Best!</p><p><a href="http://muslim-responses.com/Does_Evilness_disprove_God/Does_Evilness_disprove_God_" target="_blank">http://muslim-responses.com/Does_Evi..._disprove_God_</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sirajstc, post: 6303920, member: 91140"] [B][COLOR=DarkRed][SIZE=5]Does Evilness disprove God?[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B] By Sami Zaatari One of the most repeated claims and arguments by atheists to disprove the existence of God is the evil we see around the world. They often bring up war, torture, famine, rape, and all other forms of evil and then say well if God existed then none of this would be happening! They claim how can a perfect all-loving merciful God exist when such things are happening. Some of them then deduce from this that if God does indeed exist then he is doing a very bad job, and has messed everything up, and therefore is not even in need of worship nor attention since he cannot control his own creation. The argument may sound appealing, however so the argument is a fallacy from the start, since it is using the fallacious method which is called "appealing to emotions", basically the person arguing here is appealing to a persons emotions rather than actually logically studying and examining the facts. Secondly the person arguing this case has committed a second fallacy, which is "straw man", basically the person who is making this argument has distorted and twisted what Islam really teaches about God and how he does things. Now what does Islam teach about God and his creation? Islam teaches us that God is perfect, he has no defects, he is free from all error and mistake, however so as far as creation goes then creation is not perfect, nor is creation free from error and mistakes. Hence when humans commit evil, and commit major sins, such as murder, mass thievery, and other major acts of evil this has nothing to do with God, it is not God's fault, it is the fault of that human being, God is free from what this evil person has done because God does not sanction nor call for it. Had Islam taught that the creation is perfect and completely obedient to God such as the angels, then atheists would have a major case, yet I challenge a single atheist to bring me one Quranic passage which claims that man is a perfect obedient creature. Now the atheist will resort to another tactic, after you tell him this he will say "well if God is perfect, all powerful, then why does he not make his creation perfect? Why does he allow such things to happen?" Now the atheist is committing another major problem. Many will notice atheists often mock Islam for having so many rules on what to do and what not to do, they claim it is like a dictator. However so the atheist now wants God to become a complete dictator and control us humans and make us perfect! The atheist says if God can stop it why does he not? So the atheist wants God to now come and directly interfere in our society, yet I thought atheists had a problem with God running affairs, isn't that a dictatorship as they often claim?! So now the atheist is being inconsistent in his methodology. God gave man free will, hence when you sin, and commit evil, it is because God gave you free will to do what you want, so basically the atheist now wants God to go back on giving us free will and to turn us into controlled robots! Also what is good and bad? When an atheist says why doesn't God stop all the bad evil going around the world what exactly is the atheist referring to? Because to a Muslim evilness includes fornication, strip clubs, drugs, and alcohol, yet to most atheists these things are okay and are not evil! Hence if God granted the atheists wish the atheist would now complain that God has taken away his free will and choice which ultimately contradicts what he was asking for in the first place which was that God come and change the society and interfere in our affairs! So to atheists, what do you want, do you want God to take away your free will? Do you want God to control you? You can't say no because your methodology says yes to this! However so if you have no problem with this then why do you have a problem when God gives you rules and laws to live by WITH a free will to choose to follow them or not yet you complain against it! So therefore if the atheists want to stop the evil around the world, then the first thing they should do is accept God, accept his rules, accept his laws, accept everything he has told you, and after this they should call people to the same thing, because evil will only end when the entire society finally obeys God and his rules as they should be obeyed, yet hardly anyone is doing that and this is why the world is so corrupt. As God tells you: [COLOR=Navy]6:142- And of the cattle (are some) for burden (like camels etc.) and (some are) small (unable to carry burden like sheep, goats etc. for food, meat, milk, wool etc.). Eat of what Allâh has provided for you, [B][U]and follow not the footsteps of Shaitân (Satan). Surely he is to you an open enemy.[/U][/B] 6:151- Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited you from: Join not anything in worship with Him; be good and dutiful to your parents; kill not your children because of poverty - We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not near to Al-Fawâhish (shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, and kill not anyone whom Allâh has forbidden, except for a just cause (according to Islâmic law). This He has commanded you that you may understand. 3:102- O you who believe! Fear Allâh (by doing all that He has ordered and by abstaining from all that He has forbidden) as He should be feared. [Obey Him, be thankful to Him, and remember Him always], and die not except in a state of Islâm (as Muslims) with complete submission to Allâh. 3:31- Say (O Muhammad SAW to mankind): "If you (really) love Allâh then follow me (i.e. accept Islâmic Monotheism, follow the Qur'ân and the Sunnah), Allâh will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." [/COLOR] Many more verses could be quoted, but these verses make the point clear, don't commit evil, and obey Allah, and enter the religion of Islam, this is the straight path that can lead to ending evil, yet you choose to not obey hence you have no one to blame but yourself! And Allah Knows Best! [URL="http://muslim-responses.com/Does_Evilness_disprove_God/Does_Evilness_disprove_God_"]http://muslim-responses.com/Does_Evi..._disprove_God_[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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