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<blockquote data-quote="sri_lion" data-source="post: 3166287" data-attributes="member: 4103"><p>I think there's no point arguing about this because, its just a matter of individual perception!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you are going a bit out of scope here... I'm in no way protecting the hunters or whoever that does kill according to what Buddhism says completing the 5 pre-requisites for a SIN.. those are SINNERS!!</p><p></p><p>My point here how can you be held responsible for eating dead meat? in pansil it says "Pana athi sthun nomarami" that is a pledge that you making to yourself, again comes back to those 5 criteria and if you full fill them <strong>personally</strong> you are sinned.... and everyone of us pledge it and someone decide to break it... and then the result is dead meat... how can another to blame for it?</p><p></p><p>Ok you say my scenario is not good enough... but how can you deny that this is not what might have happened? Human must have tried meat personally and then he decides to sell or exchange for something else! He does it because of his greed for money.. the person who takes it, takes for food.. but the killer always <strong>HAD</strong> a chance not to kill that animal...</p><p></p><p>I hope you are getting what I'm trying to say here!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then why did Buddha himself ate meat? <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/happy.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Happy :)" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>Why do people eat meat? Ofcourse they are tasty.. that's why... there's simply no other alternative to it... that's why even vegetarian food trying to mimic the taste!</p><p></p><p>I eat chicken too for the same reason, but if anyday I see there's no more chicken out on the shelf.. I have no problem being a veg... because for me its just another source of food... its dead meat... for that person who kills for me.. well... he has a choice not to kill!! I'm still securing my "Paanathi Paatha", and he is not... though he has the power to do so! </p><p>So at the end of the day I buy the most tastiest food that I can find, why would I settle for anything less? unless ofcourse I don't have it there! </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That comes down to the capability of your own mind! As for me personally.... I love animals, I dont get the feeling of a walking roasted chicken when I see a live one.... neither do I get the feeling of killing that animal and eating it on the spot!! infact I would never kill one myself ever..... I'm just eating a carcass!!</p><p></p><p>So I can love any animal.. and I do too... NO PROBLEM there!!!</p><p></p><p>Say for example, those people whom voluntary work for SPCA, are they all vegetarians? but they show maithree to animals than ordinary people st any given time.. for free! <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/happy.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Happy :)" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So do I!! <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/happy.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Happy :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well no matter what you watch it comes down to you.. this I think you said it yourself.... you think it should begin with the person who consume.. I think it should begin with the killer himself!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Those 5 are from Buddhism itself, I suggest you try to find them before you making such comments because I'm absolutely certain about it!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then how does people in North and South pole survive? they must eat high fat meat! they must drink high fat milk to survive in those cold climates.. So that person cannot be a Buddhist? Ofcourse he can....</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you are a better person already, maybe you are bit too sensitive on this matter... we can go on arguing about this.. but my 2 cents are whatever you do... DON'T KILL, but encouraging is NOT killing because the killer is the first person to get sinned so he has a choice to make and he can always make the right one..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sri_lion, post: 3166287, member: 4103"] I think there's no point arguing about this because, its just a matter of individual perception! I think you are going a bit out of scope here... I'm in no way protecting the hunters or whoever that does kill according to what Buddhism says completing the 5 pre-requisites for a SIN.. those are SINNERS!! My point here how can you be held responsible for eating dead meat? in pansil it says "Pana athi sthun nomarami" that is a pledge that you making to yourself, again comes back to those 5 criteria and if you full fill them [B]personally[/B] you are sinned.... and everyone of us pledge it and someone decide to break it... and then the result is dead meat... how can another to blame for it? Ok you say my scenario is not good enough... but how can you deny that this is not what might have happened? Human must have tried meat personally and then he decides to sell or exchange for something else! He does it because of his greed for money.. the person who takes it, takes for food.. but the killer always [B]HAD[/B] a chance not to kill that animal... I hope you are getting what I'm trying to say here! Then why did Buddha himself ate meat? :) Why do people eat meat? Ofcourse they are tasty.. that's why... there's simply no other alternative to it... that's why even vegetarian food trying to mimic the taste! I eat chicken too for the same reason, but if anyday I see there's no more chicken out on the shelf.. I have no problem being a veg... because for me its just another source of food... its dead meat... for that person who kills for me.. well... he has a choice not to kill!! I'm still securing my "Paanathi Paatha", and he is not... though he has the power to do so! So at the end of the day I buy the most tastiest food that I can find, why would I settle for anything less? unless ofcourse I don't have it there! That comes down to the capability of your own mind! As for me personally.... I love animals, I dont get the feeling of a walking roasted chicken when I see a live one.... neither do I get the feeling of killing that animal and eating it on the spot!! infact I would never kill one myself ever..... I'm just eating a carcass!! So I can love any animal.. and I do too... NO PROBLEM there!!! Say for example, those people whom voluntary work for SPCA, are they all vegetarians? but they show maithree to animals than ordinary people st any given time.. for free! :) So do I!! :) Well no matter what you watch it comes down to you.. this I think you said it yourself.... you think it should begin with the person who consume.. I think it should begin with the killer himself! Those 5 are from Buddhism itself, I suggest you try to find them before you making such comments because I'm absolutely certain about it! Then how does people in North and South pole survive? they must eat high fat meat! they must drink high fat milk to survive in those cold climates.. So that person cannot be a Buddhist? Ofcourse he can.... I think you are a better person already, maybe you are bit too sensitive on this matter... we can go on arguing about this.. but my 2 cents are whatever you do... DON'T KILL, but encouraging is NOT killing because the killer is the first person to get sinned so he has a choice to make and he can always make the right one.. [/QUOTE]
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