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<blockquote data-quote="kalyanamithra" data-source="post: 3169305" data-attributes="member: 99586"><p>Namo Buddhaya!</p><p>Pinath mithurani,</p><p></p><p>It's strange to see this discussion dragging on for months... </p><p></p><p>Please do not go beyond the definition given for Prana gatha by our Sasthurun wahanse: Samma sambuddha gautama. All percepts are well defined; there's nothing missing in them for us to add...</p><p></p><p>It is not a sin to eat meat; as long as</p><p>1. you have not seen the animal was killed for you</p><p>2. you have not heard that the animal was killed for you</p><p>3. you have no reason to suspect that the animal was killed for you</p><p></p><p>Please see "siha senadhipathi sutta" if you have any doubt....</p><p></p><p>It's a sin to kill animals; or get another to kill the animal. But it's not a sin for you to eat meat bought from a shop (if already killed) - why? it's NOT killed for you... The person killing you could not have know at the time of killing that you'd be buying the meat (so you have no reason to suspect that it was killed for you)... </p><p></p><p>It's not correct to think about supply and demand and logically infer buying meat is a sin... </p><p>Please note that the Truth cannot be realized merely by logical reasoning ('akara parivithakka')...</p><p></p><p> That person has killed assuming someone would by it; so he sins; and the sin is not shared with anyone else. </p><p>Suppose you order fresh meat and get a person do the killing. Then you are part of it; and the sin is shared with you... </p><p></p><p>A more subtle case: suppose you order meat from a shop which always has meat for sale. For some reason the shop is out of stock; the shop keeper kills an animal without your knowledge, a thing which you never imagined he would do; and serves you... Then you do not get the sin...</p><p></p><p>The percepts have been laid to help us control our actions so that we can follow the Path without getting detoured... Please have shraddha on that... Another thing: we should not just stop at Pancha sila - there's a long way to go... <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/happy.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Happy :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p> Choosing to eat meat or not is a personal preference... We should only make sure that we never kill an animal; or persuade another to do so... </p><p>If we opt not to eat meat: we should never think high of us because of it; and we should never think of it as part of our sila...</p><p></p><p>I have another question to those trying to applying logical (=> avijjasahagatha! ) arguments on Dhamma:</p><p>"There are lot of small creatures (e.g. ants) on our pavements ; and we know that. Are we causing pranagatha because of walking without being on the lookout for them?" See how futile trying to infer things using 'our avijjasahagatha reasoning power'?</p><p></p><p>Let's stick to what preached by Sammasambuddha gautama... let's try to follow the Path... <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/happy.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Happy :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Theruwan saranai!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kalyanamithra, post: 3169305, member: 99586"] Namo Buddhaya! Pinath mithurani, It's strange to see this discussion dragging on for months... Please do not go beyond the definition given for Prana gatha by our Sasthurun wahanse: Samma sambuddha gautama. All percepts are well defined; there's nothing missing in them for us to add... It is not a sin to eat meat; as long as 1. you have not seen the animal was killed for you 2. you have not heard that the animal was killed for you 3. you have no reason to suspect that the animal was killed for you Please see "siha senadhipathi sutta" if you have any doubt.... It's a sin to kill animals; or get another to kill the animal. But it's not a sin for you to eat meat bought from a shop (if already killed) - why? it's NOT killed for you... The person killing you could not have know at the time of killing that you'd be buying the meat (so you have no reason to suspect that it was killed for you)... It's not correct to think about supply and demand and logically infer buying meat is a sin... Please note that the Truth cannot be realized merely by logical reasoning ('akara parivithakka')... That person has killed assuming someone would by it; so he sins; and the sin is not shared with anyone else. Suppose you order fresh meat and get a person do the killing. Then you are part of it; and the sin is shared with you... A more subtle case: suppose you order meat from a shop which always has meat for sale. For some reason the shop is out of stock; the shop keeper kills an animal without your knowledge, a thing which you never imagined he would do; and serves you... Then you do not get the sin... The percepts have been laid to help us control our actions so that we can follow the Path without getting detoured... Please have shraddha on that... Another thing: we should not just stop at Pancha sila - there's a long way to go... :) Choosing to eat meat or not is a personal preference... We should only make sure that we never kill an animal; or persuade another to do so... If we opt not to eat meat: we should never think high of us because of it; and we should never think of it as part of our sila... I have another question to those trying to applying logical (=> avijjasahagatha! ) arguments on Dhamma: "There are lot of small creatures (e.g. ants) on our pavements ; and we know that. Are we causing pranagatha because of walking without being on the lookout for them?" See how futile trying to infer things using 'our avijjasahagatha reasoning power'? Let's stick to what preached by Sammasambuddha gautama... let's try to follow the Path... :) Theruwan saranai! [/QUOTE]
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