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Message: <blockquote data-quote="firoz85" data-source="post: 7726083" data-attributes="member: 22060">The marriage contract was made then but consumated only after puberty ! The conditions for marriage are clearly defined . One of the primary conditions is the consent and without that nothing can go forward . And consumation only after attaining adulthoodMy point here is that if any woman wanted the opportunity to question or put her point across to the prophet she had the opportunity !  PERHAPS you should stop being so 'presumptuous' ! you just shot yourself in the foot there ! The time when the marriage took place it was in the meccan period , when the muslims were actually a minority in number and were being severly persecuted,tortured and killed ! Muhammed (PBUH) had the whole of makkah as enemies and was victimised ! Let alone Aishah , if any one of the prophets followers wanted to leave the muslims who were being persecuted,tortured,killed and embargoed against it was the ideal time! But you will see none of them did ! Instead they stood by him steadfast !In fact the parents of Aisha were one of the very first followers of islam and her dad was the closest companion of th Prophet ! Your presumptuous claims of threat and torture is absurd because firstly 'it is your presumption' , secondly there is no proof of your perceived 'thuggery'  whatsoever !Yep thats exactly what im saying . You need to have God in the picture to have an objective source of Right and Wrong ! I ask you of your value system on which you base your right and wrong because without one you dont know why right is right and why wrong is wrong ! Please address this point before going into what age of marriage is right and wrong Well to take a leaf out of your book , its CAUSE - EFFECT ! CAUSE - You deny/ignore the very existence of the God Who created youEFFECT - You are punished !ISLAM means to submit ! It is the only religion whose name is based on ACTION and not on a person (Christianity-Christ , Budhism - Budha etc) !It is a requirement that Faith is followed by Action in Islam ! To pray is to acknowledge God and it is our veneration and submission to God ! To deny God of His rights over us , is a sin ! I will leave this karma issue to the last , what about the other as you would say 'fairytale' aspects of the life of Budha? Isnt it true that he ascended and sermoned 'the gods' (whom you stated as beings lesser to humans) and floated on a lotus etc . It is double standards to take these stories at facevalue and then mock or redicule others !Well i have given you the answer and if thats not good enough for you then thats totally fine,so be it. No one is trying to convert anyone here. If you do actually beleive in God then that God has to be omnipotent otherwise it will be again a paradox.So yes we as muslims do see God as All Knowing All Powerful, and none of that changes based on our conditions ! God is not bound to the conditions we set That would mean theres no REAL right and wrong ! Just depends on where you are and when ! This is why i asked you above your basis of your value system and explain to me why right is right and why wrong is wrong ! If you want to apply that rule of yours , then i think it also safe to say that when Budha chose to abandon his family and the responsibilities and duties of this  'worldly' life and chose to go medidate under a shady Bo tree in the jungle for his entire life , then by todays standards thats called a HERMIT (amongst other definitions by todays standards) . I'm not sure at what age a woman can master this exactly... BUT I'm definitely sure that its NOT 6 nor 9... You are contradicting yourself here man ! Anyways The Prophet PBUH died when Ayesha was 18 ! Even at that young age she was one of the few women who had memorised the whole Quran ! 30 Chapters of it and by no means is that a small task ! She lived on many years afterwards for the great benefit of muslims that we were able to learn many aspects of the Sunnah (Prophetic traditions) through her !If you actually study the lifetime of Ayesha you will find that she was far more mature than even the grown ups of today ! Even by your own mentioned 'standards'The prophet was not rich ! Ayesha had to live through poverty as well in her youth and not to mention be a bedrock of support to the prophet when he had many enemies! When he was out during battle ! She was also known for providing water and nursing injured soldiers ! This is far more mature than your 'perceived sesame street 9 year olds or children of today'. Besides in the yesteryears puberty wasnt only a purely physical change ! It was a change in all aspects with regard to maturity,responsibilities and all that ! We have to rewind just a 100 years and you will see this in our grand mothers or great grandmothers time ! To practically not want anything is COMPLETELY against the very innate nature of man! You will not find a single human being without any wants!  Your ultimate purpose of life is scientifically physically and logically impossible! Even a little child will want a ball when he sees it ! To want to eat, drink and even cloth yourself is a WANT!  To want to survive is an innate desire, this is a scientific fact!  Are you saying we should not even desire food and water because if we do that then we will know what hunger and thirst is ? Dude...Lets also not forget that these EFFECTS you talk of are not always negative ! Happiness and Joy of attaining your desires is just as much an EFFECT ! And vice versa. Why is this Karma force always negative and pessimistic in nature ? Many happy families exist , is this not CAUSE enough for EFFECT of happiness to be recycled ?Im also trying to figure out how this is not a 'kill yourself' approach ? I mean if i dont want anything to do with this world, no bonds , then why not just leave the world right ! NO CUASE - NO EFFECT !Lets NOT take my analogy and answer my main point ! "There is an ultimate purpose , but if you dont want to you can lead other ways , that defies the purpose of there being one ultimate goal in life in the first place !"  I ask this again because you said earlier its ok to lead an alternate path that doesnt lead to nirvana ! And now you say that that path has consequences , then its really not OK in the first in the place is it!?When Budha was asked about God , why was he silent ? The creation of the universe, the fine tuning of the universe ! The Original Cause of the Universe !? Mind is not shown precedence here ! This is antagonistic in nature and if ,as you say by budhist principles MIND is to precede then an answer with reason  should have been given either affirming or denying it !</blockquote>

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