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<blockquote data-quote="sri_lion" data-source="post: 7813639" data-attributes="member: 4103"><p><strong>Sorry for late reply.. been busy! <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/happy.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Happy :)" data-shortname=":)" /></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So according to that law, technically even a 75 year old grandfather can marry a 1 month old infant? so how would you go about getting consent from an infant? <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/lol.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="LOL :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>HAHAHA! <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/lol.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="LOL :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> If Muslims were infact under threat at that period of time then that could be perfect reason for Aisha's parents to not to disobey Prophet, they'd be banished from the society and exposed to the so called threats outside, and also perfect opportunity for Prophet to ask anyone's hand in marriage as they would have no choice other than to agree!</p><p></p><p>MAKES PERFECT SENSE NOW!</p><p></p><p>And I say again prophet was a thug... he did torture captured thieves etc.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There are other ways to measure right and wrong other than what GOD says! <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/lol.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="LOL :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></p><p></p><p>I don't understand why would you take GOD as the yard stick when it comes to figuring out what's right and what's wrong.. that's TOTALLY ABSURD!</p><p></p><p>When you take Allah's word for what's right and what's wrong.. what will happen to people of other faiths? should they believe what Allah says is right and wrong?</p><p></p><p>How about a common yard stick to measure right and wrong that depends on implications of one's actions to the society.. so that no matter what faith you belong to you will have to obey it..</p><p></p><p>For an example, by today's law in almost every country there's a minimum age for marriage, WHY? because it has been proved that underage marriages can be complicated and not safe, <strong>this is proven SCIENTIFICALLY!</strong></p><p></p><p>Hence, here is a perfect example that what's right and wrong is defined by science... NOT by GOD, and is applicable to all humans regardless of their faith!</p><p></p><p>The kind of right and wrong you talk about only applies to you and your brotherhood!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes! lets take that theory further.... if you say that's CAUSE and EFFECT..</p><p></p><p><strong>Then... Allah is the EFFECT of what CAUSE? </strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Please read the question again... this still doesn't answer my question!</p><p></p><p>You are explaining about submitting yourself to Allah... fine! I get it!</p><p></p><p>I'm asking why? why we need to acknowledge the GOD? it was his wish to create us..</p><p></p><p>If he created us so that we can worship him... there's must be some reason why he did that!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good point!</p><p></p><p>I don't believe them either... these things are there probably to glorify his presence, but the key issue is those glorification does not effect his teachings or the message that he tried to convey, today most Buddhists are attracted to this nonsense rather than the actual message itself!</p><p></p><p>It's a sad situation!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Apparently it doesn't justify why we are here and why we need to worship him! he hasn't given a clear answer in the Quran either... all he has said is that he created us.. that's all... the WHY is still a mystery! </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes HERMIT is right for few years he lived like that.. BUT not his entire life!</p><p></p><p>He came back and devoted his whole life teaching people what he knew.. and he was always at the center of his society so generally you cannot call him a HERMIT!</p><p></p><p>And a word on his responsibilities..</p><p></p><p>He ordained his own son taught him what he knew, later his wife too became 1 of the first 500 nuns in the history of Buddhism.. so he was responsible enough to give what he thought was the best for his family!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Memorizing a book at the age of 18 is nothing to be surprised about! Today's children doing memorizing for 10 subjects in school from the age of 14 or so...</p><p></p><p>I can guarantee you that today's children are far more sophisticated than Aisha.. you can show me ones that are not and I can show you the ones that are.. so its a subjective matter that we will never come to a conclusion! <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/rolleyes.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Rolleyes :rolleyes:" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> and caring for sick and needy... even nowadays children do that.. what's that gotta do with the level of maturity needed for marriage? <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/baffled.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":baffled:" title="Baffled :baffled:" data-shortname=":baffled:" /></p><p></p><p>Your theory is as such that every 100 years or so the minimum age of marriage drops but women retains the physical and mental strength required for it... can you prove this?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why do you always see Karma as pessimistic.. infact you take the whole idea of Karma wrongly <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/lol.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="LOL :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></p><p></p><p>Karma is a law... CAUSE and EFFECT can work for happiness and also the other way around, when I say Karma you automatically goes into thinking that its pessimistic!</p><p></p><p>You EAT something you like (CAUSE) you are happy (EFFECT) that's Karma... as simple as that.. now why would you only associate Karma with not wanting to eat? ofcourse you can.. but do you not see it the other way around? <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/lol.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="LOL :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> </p><p></p><p>Where have Lord Buddha ever said not to eat? although like you said.. vise versa logically, scientifically over eating can be disastrous.. do you deny that? that is why Lord Buddha has given you the middle path.. not too much, not too little! and he says it cannot be mastered overnight..</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Killing yourself would mean that you are breaking the 1st precept, killing a live being is a sin.. and if you kill yourself, you'll only be creating more Karma which then will lead to more effects! <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/wink.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you don't want me to take your analogy, then you should not have given one in the first place because your analogy represents your point.. that is what analogies are for!</p><p></p><p>Anyway... this is why Buddhism is flexible!</p><p></p><p>Although enlightenment is the ultimate glory... there's no such rule created by Buddha that you MUST follow it! I mean why would he want to create such a rule!</p><p></p><p>Had he created such a rule then that would contradict the whole point of CAUSE and EFFECT, if you understand that your actions will have consequences accordingly, then there's no need for Buddha to tell you whether you should step in to the stream that will lead to enlightenment or not!</p><p></p><p>It's your decision..</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually its not about the beginning of the universe.. if I have stated that previously.. my bad! sorry! the question he was quiet about was whether the world is finite or not.. not only this question... he was silent about 14 questions of this sort..</p><p></p><p>Buddha has explained that the building blocks of the universe is a combination of matter, free energy and forces, which he further breaks down matter into the qualities of the matter as solidity/expansion (pathavi), fluidity/cohesion (apo), heat/temperature/maturity (tejo) and motion/displacement and air (vayo)</p><p></p><p>Free energy is a form that cannot be perceived directly similar to consciousness in living beings for example which in humans we know as Vinnana in Sanskrit.</p><p></p><p>Forces are created by moving matter creating phenomena such as gravity for an example!</p><p></p><p>Combination of all this is the beginning of universe and what Universe is made out of according to Buddhism..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sri_lion, post: 7813639, member: 4103"] [B]Sorry for late reply.. been busy! :)[/B] So according to that law, technically even a 75 year old grandfather can marry a 1 month old infant? so how would you go about getting consent from an infant? :lol: HAHAHA! :lol: If Muslims were infact under threat at that period of time then that could be perfect reason for Aisha's parents to not to disobey Prophet, they'd be banished from the society and exposed to the so called threats outside, and also perfect opportunity for Prophet to ask anyone's hand in marriage as they would have no choice other than to agree! MAKES PERFECT SENSE NOW! And I say again prophet was a thug... he did torture captured thieves etc. There are other ways to measure right and wrong other than what GOD says! :lol: I don't understand why would you take GOD as the yard stick when it comes to figuring out what's right and what's wrong.. that's TOTALLY ABSURD! When you take Allah's word for what's right and what's wrong.. what will happen to people of other faiths? should they believe what Allah says is right and wrong? How about a common yard stick to measure right and wrong that depends on implications of one's actions to the society.. so that no matter what faith you belong to you will have to obey it.. For an example, by today's law in almost every country there's a minimum age for marriage, WHY? because it has been proved that underage marriages can be complicated and not safe, [B]this is proven SCIENTIFICALLY![/B] Hence, here is a perfect example that what's right and wrong is defined by science... NOT by GOD, and is applicable to all humans regardless of their faith! The kind of right and wrong you talk about only applies to you and your brotherhood! Yes! lets take that theory further.... if you say that's CAUSE and EFFECT.. [B]Then... Allah is the EFFECT of what CAUSE? [/B] Please read the question again... this still doesn't answer my question! You are explaining about submitting yourself to Allah... fine! I get it! I'm asking why? why we need to acknowledge the GOD? it was his wish to create us.. If he created us so that we can worship him... there's must be some reason why he did that! Good point! I don't believe them either... these things are there probably to glorify his presence, but the key issue is those glorification does not effect his teachings or the message that he tried to convey, today most Buddhists are attracted to this nonsense rather than the actual message itself! It's a sad situation! Apparently it doesn't justify why we are here and why we need to worship him! he hasn't given a clear answer in the Quran either... all he has said is that he created us.. that's all... the WHY is still a mystery! Yes HERMIT is right for few years he lived like that.. BUT not his entire life! He came back and devoted his whole life teaching people what he knew.. and he was always at the center of his society so generally you cannot call him a HERMIT! And a word on his responsibilities.. He ordained his own son taught him what he knew, later his wife too became 1 of the first 500 nuns in the history of Buddhism.. so he was responsible enough to give what he thought was the best for his family! Memorizing a book at the age of 18 is nothing to be surprised about! Today's children doing memorizing for 10 subjects in school from the age of 14 or so... I can guarantee you that today's children are far more sophisticated than Aisha.. you can show me ones that are not and I can show you the ones that are.. so its a subjective matter that we will never come to a conclusion! :rolleyes: and caring for sick and needy... even nowadays children do that.. what's that gotta do with the level of maturity needed for marriage? :baffled: Your theory is as such that every 100 years or so the minimum age of marriage drops but women retains the physical and mental strength required for it... can you prove this? Why do you always see Karma as pessimistic.. infact you take the whole idea of Karma wrongly :lol: Karma is a law... CAUSE and EFFECT can work for happiness and also the other way around, when I say Karma you automatically goes into thinking that its pessimistic! You EAT something you like (CAUSE) you are happy (EFFECT) that's Karma... as simple as that.. now why would you only associate Karma with not wanting to eat? ofcourse you can.. but do you not see it the other way around? :lol: Where have Lord Buddha ever said not to eat? although like you said.. vise versa logically, scientifically over eating can be disastrous.. do you deny that? that is why Lord Buddha has given you the middle path.. not too much, not too little! and he says it cannot be mastered overnight.. Killing yourself would mean that you are breaking the 1st precept, killing a live being is a sin.. and if you kill yourself, you'll only be creating more Karma which then will lead to more effects! ;) If you don't want me to take your analogy, then you should not have given one in the first place because your analogy represents your point.. that is what analogies are for! Anyway... this is why Buddhism is flexible! Although enlightenment is the ultimate glory... there's no such rule created by Buddha that you MUST follow it! I mean why would he want to create such a rule! Had he created such a rule then that would contradict the whole point of CAUSE and EFFECT, if you understand that your actions will have consequences accordingly, then there's no need for Buddha to tell you whether you should step in to the stream that will lead to enlightenment or not! It's your decision.. Actually its not about the beginning of the universe.. if I have stated that previously.. my bad! sorry! the question he was quiet about was whether the world is finite or not.. not only this question... he was silent about 14 questions of this sort.. Buddha has explained that the building blocks of the universe is a combination of matter, free energy and forces, which he further breaks down matter into the qualities of the matter as solidity/expansion (pathavi), fluidity/cohesion (apo), heat/temperature/maturity (tejo) and motion/displacement and air (vayo) Free energy is a form that cannot be perceived directly similar to consciousness in living beings for example which in humans we know as Vinnana in Sanskrit. Forces are created by moving matter creating phenomena such as gravity for an example! Combination of all this is the beginning of universe and what Universe is made out of according to Buddhism.. [/QUOTE]
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