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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AncientGlory" data-source="post: 7999227" data-attributes="member: 262433">No worries.So you are going with the watchmaker analogy? Refer this thread. We already discussed this.<a href="http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=573754" target="_blank">http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=573754</a>Yes, a computer can get assembled in a random chance, if given enough time. If you give 4.5billion years, yes by a random  chance an intelligent species can be born and those species might make a computer, which of course is a effect of a random incident(Evolution) in the first place.yes.So it is clear that GOD came out of nothing. Then when you were saying there is no action without force, you were contradicting yourself coz apparently GOD comes out of nothing.I have no idea. Big bang is just a theory among many other theories. But I know for a fact, that it was not caused by an invisible being who likes to watch people burn in hell for an eternity.Completely missing the point are we?? What I know about Illuminati or whether what I know is closer to truth or not is irrelevant. The question is why do you think what you know is the truth? For your information, either you have not read the Angels and Demons or you have a very lame taste. It is a great book, a fiction. Millions around the world agree so. I did not learn about Illuminati from a fiction book, it is a fiction. I learned the name, and did my own research. I'm surprised you'd think I'm basing my claims on a fiction book. A mistake only amateurs do(Not calling you are a one).Agreed. But my point was that you and me being two ordinary humans, cannot really claim that what we understand from a message is the intended one. There is always a chance it is us who made the mistake.Can be two things. Either you did not understand my point or its the other way around. (1) Do we agree that everything happens is GOD's will?(2) If yes, me being a non believer is GOD's will.(3) So I'm just continuing to do what he wishes. It is his will.(4) I do not have a choice in the matter.(5) Anyone who choose to be a believer after sometime, it is also GOD's plan and will. He does not have a choice either.So to me it seems that the free will you are talking about has nothing  to do with choosing, our path destiny already predefined by GOD. You are  talking about a choice within a limited frame, but even in that frame  we don't have a choice. It is a well established argument that "Free will" and "Omnimax GOD"  cannot co-exist. I have thus far not seen any valid point that will say  otherwise. And I've spent lots of time reading, discussing,debating this with people.</blockquote>

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