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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AncientGlory" data-source="post: 8088279" data-attributes="member: 262433"><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Force is the cause of an Action and an Action itself will again cause a Force, hence becoming a Force. It is correlated. So in simple terms you are asking what triggered the initial action. Assuming there was an initial force, it is alright to call this Universe or name it GOD. But what is the reason to assume that this original force is sentient?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The question still remains. You assume that an original force always existed. I will say that universe always existed, following the same assumption. How would you refute that?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(1) There was always an original force.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(2) Nothing can come out of nothing.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The above two statements cannot co-exist. They contradict each other. If you say (1) is true then something can come out of nothing, and makes (2) false. If (2) is true then (1) becomes false likewise.</span></span> </p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Well I'm still amazed by how you come to the conclusion that it is you who know the true concepts and others are with lame stories.</span></span> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Again missing the point. Drop Angels and Demons or whatever. Why do you think you know about the real Illuminati than I do?</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">True.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Actually no. I did not understood because I cannot find a direct answer to my question. It seems to me from your explanation that since GOD has given us free will and everything, everything that happens is NOT GOD's will. And without coming to an agreement on this question 1 there's no use of going further with others. So a simple yes or no will do.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(1) Do we agree that everything happens is GOD's will? (Yes or No?)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 15px">No worries. TC.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>

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